The article from July explains why Steam banned this game last month, despite Itch (which stopped selling certain games due to the payment processors) is selling it?

Who is this article writer that can see 4 months into the future?!

You claimed Steam banned this because of the payment processors. The same payment processors being used by stores that didn’t ban this. Seems a relevant point to the discussion we are having.

Do the other stores hosting the game have the same payment processors?

Steam hasn’t banned adult games. That is proven with a quick search of Steam’s catalog.

the slippery slope starts somewhere.

You know slippery slope is a fallacy right? The “slippery slope” can also stop anywhere.

When did I (or anyone else) exert pressure on Steam to not carry this? My understanding is this is a decision Steam made.

I don’t know but don’t give up. Try reading my post again, take it slow, I’m sure your can work it out.

That’s not how that works. You don’t get to decide what a store does and does not sell. Steam refuses hundreds of games a year, this one doesn’t get special treatment.

Saying “I understand why (store) would not want to carry this product” is not the same as saying “no store should carry this product.”

drawing a murder isn’t murder and drawing Noncon isn’t rape.

Drawing people having sex isn’t sex, but it is porn. Verbally attacking someone isn’t assault, but it can be abuse. Drawing a comic where someone tortures and then kills the president of the United States isn’t murder, but it will get the FBI knocking on your door.

The scene where a little girl asks to ride a naked man, and then rides a naked man? You don’t see why that might be problematic?

Considering there website proudly shows it is banned on Steam I’m sure this was done on purpose for the publicity.

Why did Epic ban it though? They didn’t get the ‘tainted’ preview version and normally love to have games that aren’t on Steam.

tl, dw. When did the discussion start?

So he’s going to rehire the visa dependent labourers RG fired?

That’s neither a statement nor an argument, and is complete nonsense.

I don’t know, when?

1. That’s a statement, not an argument. If you’re going to start citing fallacies then I’m going to start expecting properly formed arguments.

2. That statement seems to be based exclusively on him being a union buster, despite the union busting happening 5 years after he left.

When did the union busting happen?

Strawman is arguing against a different argument than the one you are presenting.

I’m saying you’re not presenting an argument at all.

but fuck’em unions.

Are we still talking about the guy that stopped working for the company 5 years before the whole union busting thing happened?

Correct, and trying to get clarification as to what you claim the problem is is yielding no results, so I have to assume it’s non-existant.

Excellent time for the Japanese to drop ideogram/logogram system and have an alphabet like a functional language.

“All I said is that the Japanese do not have a functional language. I don’t understand where people think I was being derogatory about a specific race.”

I quoted you directly, stating that “if this turns out not to be true I take it back” which implies you have no strong evidence for it being true.

I’m responding to the arguments and evidence you are presenting. I know nothing of the situation so do not understand the basis of the claims you are making, and you don’t seem to be backing them up very well.

I did not mention an ethnicity. I mentioned you, specifically.

If he wasn’t part of the hiring decisions, I take back what I said.

So you have no idea if what you’re saying is even true?

So the union discord existed when he was there and he didn’t fire anyone involved. 5 years after he leaves someone else fires the people involved so… Fuck the guy who hired people and did nothing to prevent the discord server years ago?

I think ideograms suck because they are an extremely bad writing system, and imperial units suck because they are an extremely bad measurement system

And I think you suck because you are an extremely bad person.

Equivalent statement right?

I’m not following, he hired some people, then 5 years after he left someone else fired those people? Isn’t he more likely the good guy in the scenerio?

“How dare you give these people a job? That put them in a position where someone else could take away their job!”

Where did I say that?

What you aren’t arguing for anywhere in this comment is that every artist be required to do these things. Somehow game developers are exempt from this grace?

Would it be better if every piece of art was accessible like this? Yes.

Same goes for games. That’s what this thread is: it would be better if every game had X

I prefer the 4 circles glyphs that shows the appropriate face button highlighted. It’s device agnostic and helpful when I’m switching between playing on my Switch and playing on my PC with an Xbox controller.

You’ve been saying everyone in the industry knows not being on Steam means your game won’t be successful and it warps the industry around it.

You’ve also been saying that Alan Wake 2 was guaranteed to make a lot of money if they released on Steam.

So given these two arguments you’ve been making, why would a company choose to make less money by not releasing on Steam?

Here’s the funny part: it’s probably fine

Then what have you been going on about all this time? You’ been saying repeatedly that it’s a problem and now you’re saying it’s probably fine? Pick a lane.

If you’re not in this one store, you lose access to most customers.

Customers who want your product can still access it.

That’s a fucking monopoly.

Not by the dictionary definition nor the legal definition you cited.

We need to recognize these situations, before they ruin everything.

But “it’s probably fine.”

And gaming would be better-off if every game was in every storefront

Which most of them are. For a while Epic was refusing games that wasn’t signing exclusivity deals with them, but that ended up not working out for them.
In the past Walmart has refused to sell music of artists with content they disagreed with. Was that Walmart exploiting it’s market share, or a business choosing what they do and do not stock?

instead of one store being a huge fucking deal and the rest being nearly irrelevant.

Again, what should we do about that?

Some of them are convinced to

So not being on Steam isn’t widely known as dooming the game? If everyone knows not being on Steam will force your studio to shut down how could you possibly convince anyone to choose to do so?

So what do you propose? Is there some action Steam is doing that they should be legally stopped from? As far as I am aware Steam has the most customers simply because those customers prefer it.

Valve kills studios by saying ‘no thank you.’

Back to your earlier point: why wasn’t Alan Wake 2 on Steam? Did Steam say ‘no thank you’?

The mere possibility shapes the entire industry.

If it’s such a wide reaching and well known issue, why would any studio choose not to release on Steam? Do you know something they don’t?

Games want to feature nudity and intimacy

They they do. Steam has full on porn games on it.

If only there were words for one company arbitrarily restricting who gets to reach customers.

Freedom of association? Valve is not obligated or required to host everyone’s game if they don’t want to.

Ability

So you think if Steam decided to cancel all of its sales and double the price of everything people would keep purchasing from them? If not then they do not have the ability. We already know they don’t have the ability to prevent competition in the market due to the competition in the market.

if they start being dicks, we’re all in deep shit?

We’re really not. If they start being dicks other stores already exist that we can use instead.

The reason is not complicated.

Right: there’s not a market for AAA torture porn / sexual abuse games.

One example does not mean most.

that is, the long term ability to raise price or exclude competitors.

So again, not what we’re seeing at all.

Epic has little impact because Epic is shit at making a store people actually want to use.