So you’re saying each bullet should be fatal? That’s how I played Deus Ex (1), but DX1 was a very different game to a modern action RPG (though, it was one as well). Easy and Hard meant your weapons did more or less damage than the enemy. Medium meant it was equal, and Realistic meant it was equal, but each hit mattered more. You could get hit once, maybe twice, but not three times without healing. Also, headshots were lethal. They tell you headshots are lethal, but if you’re playing on anything but realistic… they’re not. (“And remember JC, a headshot is a lethal takedown.” Lies!) So, I knew where the enemies were, and I didn’t get hit. You can’t really play that way in Fallout, especially during the bigger battles. You’re going to get hit, a lot, and you’re supposed to make it to the end somehow. So the player gets a little bullet spongey, and depending on the setting, the enemies may be, too.
You may not be the first to criticise the gunplay, but a lot of people also do like the gunplay, so I guess it’s a fair point either way and a matter of what you like. I just hadn’t heard much from the other side.
No I’m saying the guns should feel different, have some heft and weight to them. Use the revolver in half life 2 for an example of a gun with weight behind the shots.
You’re free to enjoy whatever you like, I’m not saying you shouldn’t. I just think it’s odd for the OP of this comment thread to say “it’s got good gunplay, it’s a Bethesda game” because the general opinion was that Bethesda games were lacking in this very area until Starfield. Bethesda themselves realized they needed to improve the gunplay from the Fallout games, they brought people over from Doom for this specific reason.
Dude, no one is asking for realism. Why are you strawmaning?
Play a modern shooter, and compare that to Starfield or FO4. They just don’t feel good. Weapons don’t have weight to them, and there’s no impact to them being fired. Your character barely reacts. You just run around spraying bullets, and it doesn’t feel like anything.
What it needs are good animations, recoil systems, camera punch, VFX, and things like that. Starfield and FO4 have almost none of that. It’s the bare minimum to not be absolute trash. If you’re comparing it to FO3, they’re fairly good. If you’re comparing it to something like Battlefield, Escape from Tarkov, or anything modern, not so much.
That’s not to say there’s nothing to enjoy. I think FO4 was reasonably good, and FO3 and NV were good too. I just didn’t enjoy them for the gunplay. It’s everything around that that makes them good.
Personally though, I think Starfield sucks. The story is bland as hell if you know much sci-fi (if you’re failing to appeal to the audience that follows the genre, you failed). Exoring sucks. Clearing dungeons is pretty boring after you’ve done the five dungeons a few times. The loading screens, even on an NVMe SSD, constantly take you out of the experience. I just don’t understand what there is to like. I’d rather play FO4 with a bunch of cool mods if I’m playing something like it, or Morrowind if I want a good Bethesda RPG.
Why are you moving goalposts and whining when the person can’t keep up? Just say what you mean. You’re being needlessly hostile, and for what? I’m some big shot you feel the need to take down a peg? Congrats, you sound smart. I tried to jump through your hoop but you pulled it away too soon. Now what? You just point and laugh? Okay, now that’s done, where does that leave us? You’ve shown everyone you’re an asshole, and I tried to argue in good faith. Does that make you better than me? Or just provide you with some entertainment?
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So you’re saying each bullet should be fatal? That’s how I played Deus Ex (1), but DX1 was a very different game to a modern action RPG (though, it was one as well). Easy and Hard meant your weapons did more or less damage than the enemy. Medium meant it was equal, and Realistic meant it was equal, but each hit mattered more. You could get hit once, maybe twice, but not three times without healing. Also, headshots were lethal. They tell you headshots are lethal, but if you’re playing on anything but realistic… they’re not. (“And remember JC, a headshot is a lethal takedown.” Lies!) So, I knew where the enemies were, and I didn’t get hit. You can’t really play that way in Fallout, especially during the bigger battles. You’re going to get hit, a lot, and you’re supposed to make it to the end somehow. So the player gets a little bullet spongey, and depending on the setting, the enemies may be, too.
You may not be the first to criticise the gunplay, but a lot of people also do like the gunplay, so I guess it’s a fair point either way and a matter of what you like. I just hadn’t heard much from the other side.
No I’m saying the guns should feel different, have some heft and weight to them. Use the revolver in half life 2 for an example of a gun with weight behind the shots.
You’re free to enjoy whatever you like, I’m not saying you shouldn’t. I just think it’s odd for the OP of this comment thread to say “it’s got good gunplay, it’s a Bethesda game” because the general opinion was that Bethesda games were lacking in this very area until Starfield. Bethesda themselves realized they needed to improve the gunplay from the Fallout games, they brought people over from Doom for this specific reason.
Dude, no one is asking for realism. Why are you strawmaning?
Play a modern shooter, and compare that to Starfield or FO4. They just don’t feel good. Weapons don’t have weight to them, and there’s no impact to them being fired. Your character barely reacts. You just run around spraying bullets, and it doesn’t feel like anything.
What it needs are good animations, recoil systems, camera punch, VFX, and things like that. Starfield and FO4 have almost none of that. It’s the bare minimum to not be absolute trash. If you’re comparing it to FO3, they’re fairly good. If you’re comparing it to something like Battlefield, Escape from Tarkov, or anything modern, not so much.
That’s not to say there’s nothing to enjoy. I think FO4 was reasonably good, and FO3 and NV were good too. I just didn’t enjoy them for the gunplay. It’s everything around that that makes them good.
Personally though, I think Starfield sucks. The story is bland as hell if you know much sci-fi (if you’re failing to appeal to the audience that follows the genre, you failed). Exoring sucks. Clearing dungeons is pretty boring after you’ve done the five dungeons a few times. The loading screens, even on an NVMe SSD, constantly take you out of the experience. I just don’t understand what there is to like. I’d rather play FO4 with a bunch of cool mods if I’m playing something like it, or Morrowind if I want a good Bethesda RPG.
Why are you moving goalposts and whining when the person can’t keep up? Just say what you mean. You’re being needlessly hostile, and for what? I’m some big shot you feel the need to take down a peg? Congrats, you sound smart. I tried to jump through your hoop but you pulled it away too soon. Now what? You just point and laugh? Okay, now that’s done, where does that leave us? You’ve shown everyone you’re an asshole, and I tried to argue in good faith. Does that make you better than me? Or just provide you with some entertainment?
We agree on Starfield though, so there’s that.