New Xbox & AI CEO announced via Twitter ( not calling it x) the new “hybrid” console that will play Xbox and PC games.

In other words you know just a PC. Thus far it seems the system will use the exact same Xbox desktop experience as the “rog ally”.

While we all saw it coming and there isn’t much surprise. This to me says Xbox is dead as a platform.

It’s going to be expensive, it’s going to have Windows. It’s going to have co-pilot it’s going to have the same pop ups.

At least we get an Ally ROG desktop at most a Surface Gaming Desktop. Either honestly is a terrible idea. There will be most affordable options not tied to windows there will be mode powerful options at the same price. Even if you like the idea of going all in PC gaming this won’t be your best option.

If you want to stay a console gamer you’re going to have to switch teams …

RIP Xbox.

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Saying this is the death of the platform is stupid. Worst case, it’s at least better than current Xbox, which doesn’t have the option to play PC games. Yeah, it’s going to have all of M$'s spywhere and AI slop, but so would any MS device. I’m not buying this crap, but if you already wanted an Xbox then this is an improvement. Yeah, you’re better off with a PC, especially one running Linux. This has been the case for decades, yet the consoles still sell.

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Death of the “platform” as in dedicated hardware designed purely to play games.

Going forward “Xbox” games will just be Windows games.

So yes by my definition, it’s dead as dead as Elvis …

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Isn’t the whole point, since the Xbox One, that they didn’t want it to just play games? We don’t consider it dead just because it does more stuff. I guess you can have whatever definition you want for your personal view, but I don’t really think anyone else would agree with it. It’s still going to be a Microsoft controlled platform that’s typically in the living room on a TV. Most people would say it’s dead when they stop having a device in the living room, not when that device gets extra features.

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I’m intrigued by the Project Helix, but, then I remembered it’s made by Microslop…Do not trust the thing, as like you said it will come will all the nastiness of Coslop, and probably be used to peddle all their online shit. I’ll be waiting for the Steam Machine instead of dropping a ton of money on this Microslop creation. As I kept telling myself that the Xbox Series S in my living room is the last Microslop made hardware that will exist in my household.

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Microsoft Xbox hardware wasn’t going to be competitive in sales with Sony or Nintendo. Maybe now they can be competitive with ASUS ROG and Lenovo Legion and Dell Alienware

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I’m confused by the pessimistic reactions, though.

Companies converging towards the semi-open platform is a good thing. The locked down hardware and exclusives are not something we as customers asked for. It was something the cartel just shoved down our throats.

What bothers me is the backwards compatibility that microsoft has always just hand-waved in regards to the sunsetting of the xbox HW. A clear yes or no would be nice.

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In emulation and retro gaming forums I frequent the reactions seem mostly positive. Lots of questions surrounding backwards compatibility of course.

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Oh God I know this will go over many people’s heads but I was listening to a podcast where they where talking about the renewal of CUSMA (or USMCA for you Americans) and a senator said “I’m half inclined to think Donald Trump is ready to make a decision” to which Rob Russo, a journalist, rightly pointed out that was not clarity it is infact the absence of clarity. He then said, and this is why I laugh and the yes/no comment is so true.

“If I told my wife ‘Im half inclined to take the garbage out today’ she would not say that is a clear answer as to if I was going to do it”

Political and Business language needs to fuck off.

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I, for a long time, wanted Microsoft to delete the difference between PC and Console. They are the same hardware, they can run the same software. Valve achieved this with the Steam Deck. I just wonder how Microsoft is going to fuck it up.

I’m confused by the pessimistic reactions, though.

Microsoft has done an amazing job of destroying good-will. And it’s why I and an increasing share of people stopped using Windows (I still have to suffer with it at work though). For any gaming PC that runs Windows:

  • Why is there a pre-installed Xbox app in Windows? It doesn’t help play Steam, or Epic, or GOG, or even Amazon games. I don’t think it even helps with Windows Store games…

  • Why are there ads in the start menu?

  • Why are there two control panels? Why do I always have to hunt to find the old one because the new one doesn’t do what is needed?

  • Why are there popup ads in the notification area?

  • Why do I need an online account, or a hidden fucking terminal, just to get the OS going?

  • Why is Copilot fucking everywhere?

  • Why does the OS hoover fuckloads of data and send it to Microsoft?

  • Why is there pre-installed bloatware?

  • No, but seriously, why are there ads?

These are all questions that are relevant when you ask about why people are pessimistic about Windows as a gaming system. But with the merge of Windows and Xbox, all of the above questions apply, but you also get to add:

  • How locked down will this merged thing be?

  • Will multiplayer require monthly payments?

  • Will it have backwards compatibility?

  • Will they find another place to shove copilot?

  • How many extra ads will there be?

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Microsoft was already releasing games on PC. All this does is removes any dedicated hardware. Officially forcing windows down Xbox gamers throats. One less option in the space not really one more.

Windows is not the future for gaming. Windows shouldn’t be anyone’s future

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You realize PC is not just Windows, right? It’s Windows, Linux, Mac.

Windows might be the most used PC platform but game developer are well aware attaching their success to Windows is not the right move. And that’s exactly the kind of freedom PC gives that consoles do not.

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I’m not sure if you understand the point of my post. Yes PC is not just Windows. But the whole point of this product will be the “Xbox experience” which is installed on WINDOWS. Sure you can buy this box and then just install Bazzite or whatever. But why wait for this “box” to do it ? Just build a custom PC which is guaranteed to be better value and something you can do right now ?

I’m not attacking PC gaming. I love PC gaming. But this is in the context of an dedicated gaming console. Which for Xbox is going away.

My point is I see little value in the move. My point is I believe it’s the wrong approach. Valves approach with their baked in software is much better.

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I mean, your post says “Forcing windows down Xbox gamers throats”. So people that are already in the locked down Xbox ecosystem, not people that already know that and avoid Xbox. Xbox is just Windows but locked down. It’s both Microsoft.

I completely agree people should just go for a PC, but if someone was buying Xbox already, they aren’t in the mindset. So if they’re going to buy Xbox anyways, having a device that’s not locked down to some console OS means they can switch at any time and rid themselves of Xbox, since it’s your device. To me that’s definitely an improvement over the status quo, even if other better options were already available.

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But think of the AI agents that need to work on it!!!

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Watch it not even be able to play native 360 titles due to the architecture. Gears of War 2 and 3 will be locked to consoles forever if that happens.

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Xbox 360 emulation is getting better, so it would be playable on pc.

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I wouldn’t worry to much about that. Microsoft can build out additional emulation to support those games. Now how much of they can pull from what’s been done with Xbox One / Series that remains unclear.

They can always “borrow” from the foss community and just use their emulators.

I wouldn’t expect the same upgrades you saw with the old back compat catalogue. But hopefully it’s as functional as it was on its OG hardware.

But whatever they do I know the community will be able to improve upon for the whole PC space to utilize without needing to pay Shitsoft for it …

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Don’t be silly, they’ll be happy to make a vibe coded remaster for it and charge $80 a piece.

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$119 a piece, don’t forget about those poor shareholders.

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Reminds me of all the posts that say “but can it run crysis?”

Some games are just really difficult to emulate without original hardware.

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The Xbone and Xbox SeX can play 360 games just fine, and they are essentially PCs running modified Windows.

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Right, but you cannot play those two games on PC. So if the new console PC hybrid uses Windows, I don’t forsee those games running. I may be missing something though.

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The newer Xboxes already run Windows. MS could distribute their 360 emulator on regular Windows.

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Ahhhh, very good point. I wonder if they just didn’t feel it was necessary to do, or there was some technical hurdle in the way. Here’s hoping they can get something going and maybe bring it to Win11 too so then the Linux guys can get to work on making it compatible.

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My SeXbox Series SeX has sat in the corner, unplugged, since a few months after the OG Legion Go came out. At first, it was because I preferred the experience on my LeGo. But that’s now turned into me not wanting to receive updates, in case someone finally figures out how to install Linux on the thing and that it requires an older firmware.

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All xbox series s and x consoles are made to die. Microsoft put the hardware key in a 1 gb partition on the SSD that is encrypted and in XFBS format nothing can read. All those consoles will be trash in less than 10 years. So until we get the full schematics and a microsoft ex employee to tell us how to get around the partition, they are all going to break and be unrepairable.

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…XFBS format nothing can read… for now. At the rate Microsoft recycles their staff, we will have some of them out in the wild one day with the full work around to reformat this abomination.

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The console has potential if we can fix the heat issues and the stupid SSD failing issue.

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Steam Machine, Steam Deck, Steam Frame. Pick your level of console.

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Steam EVA Unit is my pick.

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Only if it’s Gabe shaped

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If you pilot from the stomach area you would have extra padding

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Worth the weight

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… Thanks, I’ve discovered an entirely new form of hatred, thanks to that comment.

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I need the gaben Eva to vore me

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List of things I buy the instant they will take my money. Also, grapheneos phone.

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Ah yes.

Swapping one walled off ecosystem for another

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You can add non-steam games to Steam Deck, not sure how that’s walled off.

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If your going Pc pre built route to me Valve built is the answer.

But to me this more lies with concerns with a true blue console experience.

Most people believe Microsoft will have little no success with this strategy either. Outside of hopes to “disrupt” steam machines market share I can’t see this going anywhere.

No matter how you slice it , I think it’s over.

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I had to read it several times to understand what you meant, but I suspect that you’re right.

Buying a full pc that will end up being potentially limited to gaming doesn’t really make sense. Valve has a solution that’s more integrated and probably better suited for most consumers.

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You’re*

Little to no*

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Steam desktop + moonlight is sick as fk and doesn’t need new hardware.

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The thing that bothers me about switch to “it’s just a branded PC now” is the loss of the Xbox as a low-end performance target.

That’s one advantage of being a console gamer: Your games may never look the best, but new AAA games will come out and run acceptably well on your system, long after low-spec PCs are left for dead by publishers.

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When the Steam Machine appears, it may take over that role.

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Also the Steam Deck can already take over that role if the Steam Machine is too much of an ask for you. When they’re restocked, that is.

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Here’s hoping 🤞

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I do not trust that Microsoft will be doing anything other than pushing subscription-based streaming. Call me when they have a robust storefront selling games on par with Steam and hardware that allows you to play these games on or offline. Until then, imma press X to doubt.

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If you want to stay a console gamer you’re going to have to switch teams …

I thought that said switch TO Teams, for a moment, lol

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That sadly maybe a requirement. Let’s hope not haha

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Is anything in the tech world interesting or good any more? I remember being excited 20 years ago for new inventions. Now its slop, slop, slop, authoritarian surveillance fascism, slop slop slop

Foss projects and indie games are about the only interesting thing now.

I’ll go back to 2005 soon as someone invents a Foss time machine !

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Ironically, there are a couple of things in the tech world right now that I’m extremely interested in. But you would likely downvote me if I mentioned them.

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So what, who cares about downvotes on Lemmy? Even one more person finding out about some awesome tech is worth it!

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Quite true.

Well, I guess the most games-oriented thing is that at the moment I’m generating some cover art for some music I generated earlier to use as part of a tabletop roleplaying campaign I’m in. Custom art, custom music, stuff that a few years ago would have cost me thousands of dollars to commission (and therefore that I would never have dreamed of commissioning - it’s just for me and a couple of friends). That’s pretty awesome, IMO.

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Unfortunately they’re just a fucking AI-bro. Not worth your time

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When people call any AI user an AI bro, you know the logic has left the room when it comes to AI discussions.

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LLMs are a technological dead end and will never be the path towards AGI. The AI bubble is fuelled exclusively by overly wealthy gambling addicts like Sam Altman.

You claim the “AI bro” accusation is the loss of logic. Go look at the fucking market right now, it’s completely irrational. It’s the AI investors that have killed any logic going on.

The AI bros just continually ignore this because they’re idiots. If you’re going to back them up you’re just as much of a dumbfuck as them

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Why are you arguing against things I never said? The market condition has no bearing in justifying you categorising anyone using AI as an AI bro. That’s a specific term for people who are pushing the market towards AI without regards for anything, not for anyone that has a use for AI.

The latter types can also be anti-“AI bro”, they’re just not lacking as much logic as you are acting on right now. Have you realised how little logic you’re running on if you’re even calling what I said as defending AI bros? You’ve either cultivated a Pavlovian response whenever you hear the word AI to turn off logic in your brain or you’ve never had good reading comprehension in the first place. I’m not sure which is worse.

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You got downvoted for mentioning you’d get downvoted! OK, I’ll bite. Based on OP’s comments, As long as it isn’t in AI, surveillance or Microslop WIndows, maybe you have found something for us all?

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As long as it isn’t in AI

Afraid I can’t help you, then.

It’s really quite ironic, this is the sort of tech that science fiction has been dreaming of for decades. And now it can’t even be mentioned in tech-oriented forums, can’t even be hinted at, without mobs of negative-nellies dumping on it.

Ah well. I continue to have fun with it, downvotes can’t stop that.

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You just can’t quit bringing up your ai girlfriend, can you ?

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You’ll note that I was asked.

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Dreaming of, or warning about?

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This is going to be one of those “Torment Nexus” things, I take it?

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this is the sort of tech that science fiction has been dreaming of for decades.

No it isn’t. LLM’s are a fucking technological dead end and will never reach AGI’s.

Quit sucking off Sam Altman and go look into actual AI research, douchebag

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I’m anxious about being on the layoff list because I submitted my self-appraisal without reading the step that says: use ai to summarize your assessment and copy-paste to the summary field. Dammit, I wrote it myself

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Maybe they’re talking about machine learning for medical advances and the like?

That has very little to do with llms. And we’ve been doing that for decades, its not new.

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Is anything in the tech world interesting or good any more?

Steam Machine?

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I still tune into TechQuickie every once in awhile and I noted how start the difference is between shows like that today and five years ago. All news is bad news anymore.

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Is that the show with the liars and thieves?

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It’s a show about tech news?

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I think you mean TechLinked

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I meant TechQuickie.

But Techlinked also

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No, you’re not allowed to like anything created by someone who’s ever done something wrong on the internet!

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This knowledge does me no good if I can’t go to one of these exoplanets and meet a nice Orion lady.

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Imagine a non-FOSS time machine

We’ve successfully transferred your right foot to 2005! Please subscribe to our Premium plan to unlock full-body transfers.

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We have transferred your clone to 2005, please step into the incinerator.

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Non-FOSS time machine? It’s 2005 as a service. Monthly subscription.

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I’ve been enjoying the advances in escape room games. mc2games makes some good ones.

The HL2 VR mods are pretty good if you have a headset. Reloading a gun with your physical hands is pretty immersive.

There’s been a silent rise in mystery-themed (Ace Attorney adjacent) games in the East recently. The mysteries get better and better.

Russian games have been innovating a bit to attract Western customers. “No I’m not Human” is one of those. There are also some Russian visual novels that are good thrillers.

Of the games China makes that aren’t gachaslop, some have tried to innovate. This one syncs what the character doing with real world time. So if it would take 10 minutes for a character to do something, it would take 10 actual minutes. The game doesn’t even have to be on during those 10 minutes, so it can be something where you check in every now and then.

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Oh man I miss old flash-based escape the room games. Remember the Crimson Room?

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There’s been a silent rise in mystery-themed (Ace Attorney adjacent) games in the East recently. The mysteries get better and better.

As a huge fan of the genre, got any recs that didn’t get too popular? I’ve played Danganronpa, Ace Attorney, Nonary games, and have other Kodaka games in my backlog. Other than those do you know any great ones?

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There’s a recent one that came from China called The Real Face of a VTuber. It’s pretty good, and borrows heavily from Ace Attorney gameplay.

I’m pretty sure this one ( The Bygone Days of Her and the Flowers ) is a Genshin spinoff with Ace Attorney gameplay and surprisingly high production value, but there’s no English translation.

Whispers of the Luminaries counts for sure, and appears to be coming out either this month or the next. It also has a great demo to try out.

In Rose Academy, you collect clues on the murder, but I haven’t found anything where you actually use the clues in the demo. It’s unquestionably a mystery, though. This game comes out early April.

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Hell yea, thanks! They’re all in my wishlist now

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Handheld emulation devices

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Yes! Super interesting devices, a friendly community, lots of development and you’ll be playing games made before gaming went full enshitification.

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I like to see what’s going on in the handheld emulator world!

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Oh true emulation in general is very awesome

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AYN Thor is a awesome DS handheld, but they too also warned that their supplier is bumping RAM prices heavily, so they expect the price to go up too

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Once we created standards to create everything we see today it became to expensive to invest in alternative home grown solutions. Sadly with the focus of maximizing profit over innovation most ideas just revolve around the existing infrastructure in place to do what they want. I hate it as well and everything feels very stagnant.

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That and large shitty patent laws

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So the pick me finally shows her hand.

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i think this is a bit over dramatic. seems more the next logical step in the “console” world

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I actually think it’s a great idea. The problem is that Microslop is behind it.

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Yeah it can be , and Steam already did it and better. But it’s still not a console experience. It’s closer but it’s not equivalent. And for what Xbox has represented this isn’t it …

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I think it’s “console enough” that it could still work. Current consoles are really just locked-down PCs anyways.

It’d be no different than the OtherOS functionality on first-run PS3 consoles that allowed them to boot into Linux. Perhaps simpler than that even, given that current consoles already use standard PC hardware and not the Cell architecture the PS3 ran on.

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The idea is great because it didn’t come from Microslop. It’s going to be a Steam Machine competitor.

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Nah, it’s been pretty clear for some time now that the next Xbox would just be a PC. I don’t think they got this idea from Valve. I’m sure that Valve helped shape their plans, though.

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I never upgraded from the Xbox One X and haven’t once felt like I’ve missed anything this entire generation.

My next console will be either a steam deck or just a living room PC running Linux.

It’s not in the budget right now though, so it depends what’s available when I decide to pull the trigger

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Quick resume is pretty much the only thing about the Series X that has stood out for me. It’s nice being able to hop into multiple games without waiting for loads and being right back where you left off. It’s by no means a must have though. It’s way better than the PS5’s equivalent.

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While not quite the same thing: sleeping in the middle of a game is something that every platform other than Windows can do. Linux, including the Steam Deck, can just go to sleep in the middle of the game and bring you right back to where you were before putting it to sleep.

If this new Xbox is Windows-based, they are going to lose not only the sleep ability, but also the quick resume you point out.

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What they’re describing isn’t just going to sleep, but putting a game on pause, doing whatever else you want (such as playing a different game) and then resuming exactly where you left off.

It’s basically just dumping the RAM to a file and loading it later, same as an emulator save state.

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