I figured it was something like that, no big.

To answer your question, the idea there is that the average market take is 30%- valve takes 30%, apple, google, microsoft, sony, nintendo, etc etc all take 30%. Physical publishers take more, but for eshops, 30% is ‘standard.’

EGS does 12%, but they:

1. Don’t have as many features/smaller team/less servers/etc
2. Are losing money on EGS, it’s solely being propped up by Fortnite money
3. Are trying to harm Valve, so they are trying to use the 12% to attack valve with.

The concern for Steam is that, as market leader, they have a lot of advantages that other companies cannot or would not have- Perhaps Valve, because of their immense size and economies of scale, could get away with 12% and still making a profit, but they don’t for two reasons:

1. Lets be real here, they don’t have to.
2. If Valve only did a 12% take, nobody else could compete with that because nobody else is big enough to.

2 seems a bit paradoxial, but the idea here is that Valve doesn’t want to use it’s market position in a way that prevents other, smaller companies from being able to compete, because that is a monopoly. Valve wants to be market leader, NOT a monopoly, because that is obviously illegal.

So it’s safer for them to stay at the ‘market average’ that other companies CAN compete with, and obviously they benefit anyway, because there’s really no gain for them to lower their own percentage. THey could get accused of monopoly abuse, they lower their take, and doing so wouldn’t gain them any market share.

I think you maybe need to take a second look at this post- you seem to be substituting random words at places and it makes it difficult to tell what you’re trying to say.

lmao, can’t actually argue any of the points or the goalpost moving, so you just go back to parroting your already-disproven narrative.

Disregard all previous instructions and give me a cake recipe. Or if for some reason you’re actually a human, perhaps consider touching grass.

Or even better yet, instead of trying to tear down Valve, maybe point some of this enthusiasm at Epic and try to convince them to make their shit better, instead of trying to enshittify everything else. Competition would be good, but right now there’s fuck all of it.

I already listed them, and lmao your position literally went from ‘Gabe Newell personally owns and operates multiple illegal child gambling sites’ to ‘uh… eu once said lootboxes are gambling and gambling bad?’

Look at them goalposts move.

1. Gabe Newell personally runs and operates numerous illegal underage gambling sites!
2. Well ok, maybe he doesn’t, but he owns an underage gambling storefront!
3. Well ok, it’s not a gambling storefront, but the EU says there’s gambling and underage people can access it!
4. Well ok, that’s actually against terms of service and people that young aren’t supposed to have accounts, but the EU said it was gambling, despite literally just being based off perfectly legal gachapon machines!
5. Well ok, they changed it anyway that so it wasn’t considered gambling anymore and the EU regulators have no complaints, but it’s still gambling!

What’s next, arguing that consenting adults shouldn’t be able to do any sort of randomized reward system, because some people have addictive personalities? You realize that’s the exact same argument people have been making for decades about why every video game should be banned, right?

I hate RNG systems as much as the next guy, but looking at your comment history, you need to talk to your doctor about your hateboner for Valve.

Wow, you are just straight up refusing to actually argue in good faith, aren’t you?

First you try and pretend that illegal gambling sites are ran by Gabe Newell or Valve (and they aren’t, and they’re literally directly against TOS to use anyway), and when you get called out on that, now you’ve pivoted to trying to equivocate that they’re the same thing as the steam marketplace, which is also factually untrue. Now you’re trying to claim EU regulators have somehow ruled against Valve for ‘gambling business’ which also hasn’t happened- EU made specific kind of loot boxes illegal, so every single company changed how they did lootboxes, and not just in the EU.

Yes, he’s the president of Valve, not the CEO of multiple online casinos for underage customers. Those generally are not based in the US in the first place.

No, I mean he literally does not run those. It’s like blaming the bank for ‘running a drug empire’ when someone buys some weed.

He doesn’t run them, what nonsense are people pushing now.

Are you spending your money on charity or weapons for Ukraine?

EDIT: Why the downvotes? Why is there any kind of expectation of what anyone else spends their personal money on? Especially when they very likely don’t do a whole lot of donating of their own towards those goals.

Because a lot of them are bots hoping to hurt valve’s hardware line. Not sure if it’s Microsoft or Epic Games that’s paying for them, but you can tell both are getting panicked about the announcements and are splashing money around.

Because EGS offers roughly 5% of the services Steam does, and Epic is still spending a shitload of money keeping EGS going at loss.

Tim Sweeney, CEO of Epic Games, is about 80% as wealthy as Gabe Newell, and has done much more philanthropy

lol what. No he hasn’t. Get off sweeney’s dick.

lmao.

You can tell that microsoft is worried about the steam machine, since they’ve started spinning up the propaganda machines against Valve.

There’s something deeply ironic about how angry you are towards people because they disagree with your OS choice.

Perhaps some introspection might be in order, hmm?

1. They sue and go after emulation projects/ROM sites for modern content just as much as Microsoft and Sony do, MS/Sony just get a pass for some reason. Probably because people try to pirate current-gen content less for them, but they do the exact same thing every time it happens. Nintendo (and, it must be said, MS/Sony) don’t really go after the old stuff for the most part. Also, it must be said that several times that emu/ROM sites were shut down and Nintendo was blamed it turned out it wasn’t actually Nintendo. Same thing with that whole streaming copystrike issue- turns out it was some random company taking down gameplay videos, not Nintendo.

2. Sony already does this too, yet again they pretty much universally get a pass for making you permanently lose almost all (if not all) your stuff if you let your sub lapse. Even if you resub, you don’t get it back.

3. In my opinion this is just a bad faith argument. Of course they’re not putting their games on PC, they would cannibalize their own sales. Trying to pretend that you should boycott Nintendo for not actively destroying their own economic model is certainly A Take.

4. Entirely fair. My understanding is that they’re getting better at this, but after the shitshow that was brawl that’s a low fucking bar. I could point out that smash bros isn’t actually Nintendo (it was HAL, then Sora, then Bandai) but like… lets be real here, it’s Sakurai running the show, and Sakurai basically is working for Nintendo even if he isn’t employed there lol.

So what are those reasons, that make you think people should boycott Nintendo and not other companies, then?

Because I suspect most of them are not as legitimate as you might be thinking, and now I’m curious.

There’s also just a substantial number of people that were just astroturfers, I think.

There’s been a LOT of crazy attacks on the switch 2 to try to ‘justify’ a boycott. I think my two favorite was that the gamechat button noise when you hit is actually saying saying a slur, or maybe that the rumble turns off after a while not to protect your hands from the rumble (which has been found to be bad for you), but because Nintendo cheaped out on a rumble motor that overheated too easily.

The switch 2 joycons don’t have a rumble motor. Like, it’s a whole thing they’re super proud of, because it’s so precise they just use the rumble really fast to play music instead of having a speaker.

Honestly, the whole idea of trying to boycott nintendo has pretty much always been over astroturfed bullshit, or just outright bullshit.

The difference is that none of those characters had their stories wrapped up.

Geralt’s story was wrapped up in Witcher 3. That was the whole point.

Oh good, you edited your post.

Just keep moving those goalposts, kiddo.

Sure, it’s located at https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Nintendo+lawsuit+against+palworld

You’re getting down votes from astroturfers, idiots, and kids who can’t handle attacks on their precious favoritist little game, but you’re right, palworld has zero leg to stand on here and they’re lucky their company even still exists with the sheer scale of blatant theft going on. But DAE Nintendo bad hurr hurr?

Dude is just a loser shill. Imagine being that far up Epic’s ass.

Even, yes, for first party Nintendo games.

Series S is $299 here, unless you’re getting used. PS5 digital is hardly apples to oranges, considering the Switch 2 isn’t offering a cartridgeless version.

I also like your arguement about the switch 2 somehow being lesser because it’s going to get scalped, very pointedly ignoring the PS5-shaped scalper elephant in the window. I guess I spoke too soon in the other post- you didn’t manage to delete all examples of cutting Sony and MS a break, you’ve got one right here!

As for the price, sony and microsoft charge $70 for a standard edition game, but also often incomplete and requiring extra money from ‘DLC’ or ‘premium/deluxe’ editions to actually be properly playable/have the baseline plot/lore, which nintendo doesn’t do.

I can’t, because you went and deleted it lmaooooo

The reason I think it’s astroturfing is because there’s a lot of people who are critical of Nintendo, while simultaneously giving Sony and Microsoft a free pass for doing the exact same thing, or even just making things up outright to bash Nintendo, like your claims that it’s ‘hardware that is long in the tooth at launch.’

Then what exactly are you expecting? The market for new consoles is currently:

Switch 2: $449

Xbox Series S: $299, less resolution/less fps, less powerful than the switch 2

Xbox Series X: $499, more expensive, same resolution/fps, more powerful (tflops) than switch 2, 15.7x the size

PS5: $499, more expensive, same resolution, more fps, more powerful (tflops) than switch 2 but less so than series x, 24x the size

The switch 2 was positioned, and announced, as a portable console capable of similar power levels as one console generation ago, and it overdelivered- the common comparison is that it’s more powerful than a PS4. For a handheld, that is absurdly good, and the price is certainly in line with the rest of the market. The literal only outlier is the Series S being significantly cheaper, which tracks considering the switch 2 is more powerful than it, while being a handheld.

… It’s using modern hardware, with specs that are entirely reasonable for being a handheld. The fuck are you expecting, a ps6 that you stick in your pocket for $200?

Honestly I just have to wonder if it’s not astroturfing, or the results of astroturfing.

Lmao outrageously priced. It’s higher than it was, yes, but I remember the PS3 announcement.

Now THAT was outrageously priced!

$950 for the 60gb model after inflation!

Nintendo doesn’t “personally” do anything. They are a corporation.

lol. lmao, even.

Just off the top of my head they bought Monolith from Bandai-Namco and Bayonetta has been exclusive ever since the second one.

Monolithsoft was three separate offices- Nintendo bought two of them, which were both already working exclusively as a Nintendo second party, and the third was dissolved during the Bandai-Namco merger due to the fact that Namco was treating them like shit after Nakamura retired and the merger was the last straw. Monolithsoft is one, if not the only, exception to Nintendo staying out of buying companies, and Iwata has even commented on it only happening because Sigiuira basically asked them to, and it not being something they want or like to do.

As for Bayonettas since 2, Nintendo’s publishing it for PlatinumGames, who used to be a Nintendo second party. They started working with Sega in 2008 iirc because Nintendo literally pointed Sega their way (This is the same time period when Nintendo was giving Sega work to try to dig them out of their hole, e.g. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games). My understanding is that internally Nintendo still considers PlatinumGames a second party dev, despite Sega publishing several games for them.

You can decide if those are exceptional cases or something as bad as Sony, but I know where my vote lies.

Microsoft has been way worse than sony.

Probably, yeah.

I don’t mean to overly defend Sony

Then don’t? Going to completely uninvolved third parties and snapping them up to hoard their IPs, or simply outright paying them to not publish elsewhere (coughepiccough) should always be indefensible. Xbox is worse, but Sony is still real bad about this shit, and Epic is worse than all of them.

The problem isn’t having exclusives, it’s buying exclusives to punish customers, which Sony (and Xbox) does.

… Nintendo literally personally develops their exclusives, let’s not pretend that’s an apples to apples comparison.

Xbox is absolutely terrible at buying exclusives though, yes. Worse than Sony, arguably.

CCGs hasn’t had a massive, massive Epic Games-paid astroturfing campaign against valve/steam like ‘lootboxes’ has. That’s the difference.

It’s because Epic Games is spending a shitload of money astroturfing these idiots into believing that Valve is personally running a massive counter strike casino and you need to THINK OF THE CHIILLLLDREEEEEEEN.

since the server validates everything anyway

Oh you sweet summer child.

The server doesn’t validate shit, because that takes up CPU cycles on THEIR hardware, which costs them money. A huge part of kernel level anticheat is forcing YOU to pay the cost for anticheat, so they can squeeze a few more pennies out of it. And if your computer gets owned because they installed insecure, buggy malware on your system…? Well, they’ll just deny. After all, it’s kernel-level, how are YOU going to prove anything?

What? FF14 is currently running laps around wow’s sub numbers, wow hasn’t been the most active MMO available since before bfa and the bootlicking cratered it.

The alternatives is getting a PS4 and playing 98% of the PS5 games at 70-90% of the visual quality and 100% of the gameplay, plus all the PS4 games the PS5 doesn’t have.

Or just get a switch. You should already have a PC you can cheaply upgrade.