would you avoid games with DLSS? if not where exactly is that line since it requires similar workflows as used in creating LLMs and contributes more to model development for nvidia and amd?
The location of the line is for each person to decide for themselves. Mine sits just before ai gets involved in the creation process. Llms for code, genai for art assets or concept art, that sort of thing. Won’t buy a game that involved that.
Personally I don’t avoid DLSS but I am always overjoyed to see a game not leaning on it to reach playable framerates, since I find the graphical artifacting quite annoying and it doesn’t seem like they have a solution to it since I continue to see the swimming haze in modern titles.
Even if that did happen, it wouldn’t defeat the point of the disclosures at all. In fact, people will appreciate it all the more if a game is made without any AI involvement and it will become a selling point.
He, like the that Microsoft suit, has just enough awareness to realize how AI is being thought of by the general public, and knows it would affect his bottom line. Which is really all he cares about.
At a very near point though, it’s likely going to be impossible to do it without AI involvement, or at the very least without proving you didn’t somehow.
AI is being baked into almost every dev and art tool. They aren’t just talking about using ChatGPT, if your game uses a single texture or model that ever got touched by a machine learning algorithm, you’re using AI.
As long as AI doesn’t take away our hands, it’ll always be perfectly possible to draw our own art, compose our own music and write our own code. And especially in the open-source space, there’s plenty of creative software not jumping on the AI bandwagon.
It’s becoming nearly impossible to write code in a corporate environment without AI. Everyone has AI auto complete at the minimum, and AI code generation is at a point where it’s at least even with an entry level dev.
I’m sure that’s the case at some companies, but where I work, I can freely choose which tools I use for coding and whether or not to use AI, despite one of my bosses being obsessed with it.
I think there’s more to it as well as every tool or technology has had an impact on human labor. A lot of the complaints against AI I have found are complaints about capitalism.
But on topic of the post I think noting when AI is used is good just like I’d like to know when it’s a picture of a painting or an actual painting being sold.
Doubling down on the glazing of the ai bubble is pretty on brand for him. In before “tim sues steam for spurious claims against ai” or some other bullshit.
Then some clueless person complains that Steam dominates the market. When Epic is constantly shooting their foot.
People like to make informed decisions and those labels help. In proper countries even beer have content labels to say if there is rice or corn with the barley.
One can be concerned by a monopoly even when there are no bad actors. Google used to be good before it was evil, and Gabe Newell will die eventually. Consolidation of market power (Audible for audiobooks, for instance, or Steam for video games) is not ideal. It is a shame Epic is such a piece of shit.
Indeed, but shoving Steam under the bus, instead of critiquing their “rivals” for their lack of consumer-friendly alternatives, when for the most part they’re just doing their best seems counterintuitive.
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I think it should be more descriptive.
using gpt as a stack overflow replacement should be fine or autocomplete for a simple for-loop
using generative npcs, dialog, voice is another thing entirely
Plenty of folks add what ai was used for in the description of their game. Works well enough.
Personally I just avoid the games outright if ai was used at all, but yeah
would you avoid games with DLSS? if not where exactly is that line since it requires similar workflows as used in creating LLMs and contributes more to model development for nvidia and amd?
The location of the line is for each person to decide for themselves. Mine sits just before ai gets involved in the creation process. Llms for code, genai for art assets or concept art, that sort of thing. Won’t buy a game that involved that.
Personally I don’t avoid DLSS but I am always overjoyed to see a game not leaning on it to reach playable framerates, since I find the graphical artifacting quite annoying and it doesn’t seem like they have a solution to it since I continue to see the swimming haze in modern titles.
Steam is my favourite multi-billion dollar monopoly 😌
Tim: Valve doesn’t understand the market. AI is going to lead gaming industry.
Also Tim: VALVE IS A MONOPOLY AND SHOULD SEIZE TO EXIST.
Valve:
Valve wins.
Valve understands that sometimes less is more
Tim Sweeny doesn’t understand the very people he wants to have give him money. Like, at all.
nahh men. This is why you (Epic) are giving away games every week for free. Nobody likes you
Even giving out great games for free doesn’t make Epic more likeable. That is a next level failure.
If anything, other companies need to do the same as Valve does to gain respect and popularity. But, here we are.
Super effective slop filter you say? Sign me the fuck up!
Even if that did happen, it wouldn’t defeat the point of the disclosures at all. In fact, people will appreciate it all the more if a game is made without any AI involvement and it will become a selling point.
Plus, shouldn’t he want that information to be front and center anyway if he actually thinks it’s a good thing?
He, like the that Microsoft suit, has just enough awareness to realize how AI is being thought of by the general public, and knows it would affect his bottom line. Which is really all he cares about.
I only play organic games.
Indeed, I only play games generated by artificial brains grown in vats.
Yeah, there’s a solid group of us that hates AI so much we’d do this.
I try to avoid it as best I can. When it comes to art, I won’t touch anything that’s AI.
It already is becoming a positive marketing point!
At a very near point though, it’s likely going to be impossible to do it without AI involvement, or at the very least without proving you didn’t somehow.
AI is being baked into almost every dev and art tool. They aren’t just talking about using ChatGPT, if your game uses a single texture or model that ever got touched by a machine learning algorithm, you’re using AI.
As long as AI doesn’t take away our hands, it’ll always be perfectly possible to draw our own art, compose our own music and write our own code. And especially in the open-source space, there’s plenty of creative software not jumping on the AI bandwagon.
It’s becoming nearly impossible to write code in a corporate environment without AI. Everyone has AI auto complete at the minimum, and AI code generation is at a point where it’s at least even with an entry level dev.
I’m sure that’s the case at some companies, but where I work, I can freely choose which tools I use for coding and whether or not to use AI, despite one of my bosses being obsessed with it.
This is true. My company heavily pushes employees to use AI to write software
eew
I think it would be helpful to know how AI is used.
Information good. Hiding information bad. Nefarious intentions.
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I think there’s more to it as well as every tool or technology has had an impact on human labor. A lot of the complaints against AI I have found are complaints about capitalism.
But on topic of the post I think noting when AI is used is good just like I’d like to know when it’s a picture of a painting or an actual painting being sold.
It being ubiquitous does not mean it makes no sense. They can still say how and to what extent gen AI was used.
Tim continues to not ‘read the room’
On the wrong side of nearly everything. Disappointing, he was a gaming pioneer. Now just a petty greedy corpo.
Yeah, it’s a shame for sure.
I’m glad that Tim Sweeny and its Epig Games Store is not the market leader.
lol I just found my 7 year old post on Reddit (when Reddit was cool) of a Epig Games logo creation: https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/bvw5ru/epig_games/
But pigs are cute :(
Why associate them with such a shit company?
It is useful to know what games i want to avoid and boycott.
We’re seeing the rise of push back against AI gen stuff… https://www.theverge.com/entertainment/827650/indie-developers-gen-ai-nexon-arc-raiders
Doubling down on the glazing of the ai bubble is pretty on brand for him. In before “tim sues steam for spurious claims against ai” or some other bullshit.
Sidenote: IsThereAnyDeal.com has the steam ai declarations as part of the quick reference section on game pages now. https://mastodon.social/@isthereanydeal/115606686918493913
Then some clueless person complains that Steam dominates the market. When Epic is constantly shooting their foot.
People like to make informed decisions and those labels help. In proper countries even beer have content labels to say if there is rice or corn with the barley.
One can be concerned by a monopoly even when there are no bad actors. Google used to be good before it was evil, and Gabe Newell will die eventually. Consolidation of market power (Audible for audiobooks, for instance, or Steam for video games) is not ideal. It is a shame Epic is such a piece of shit.
Indeed, but shoving Steam under the bus, instead of critiquing their “rivals” for their lack of consumer-friendly alternatives, when for the most part they’re just doing their best seems counterintuitive.