I don’t dispute that (I’d even wager that the safer state is worse than the most dangerous eu country) but it’s not like it’s commonplace to get killed by a stranger. You’re more likely to die during travel unless you’re specifically traveling to dangerous neighborhoods
“I make video games for a living and have absolutely never said anything problematic or polarizing on social media. Can’t wait to cruise through airport security and immigration without a care in the world.”
Given how big the LGBTQ+ community is in the games industry, they really need to host this in Vancouver or Toronto until things settle down in the USA.
I’m not gonna say gun violence isn’t a problem here but…this reminds me of rightwingers going on about violence in Chicago. The reality is that most of the gun violence is isolated to certain areas and Chicago is a big place…the US is even bigger.
And it’s not like you’re being invited to visit a high school
We have lost 1.5 million people to gun violence the last three decades. More than every US soldier in every war combined. To pussy foot around with this is pretty ridiculous.
Gun violence in the U$ is absolutely ridiculous. Not wanting to travel to a country that looses population to preventable issues like this is a no brainer.
Countries even warn their citizens like the US is some kind of violent third world nation. It would be embarrassing if the US gave a fuck, but they don’t.
As someone who grew up in one of the more dangerous cities in the US, you generally have to be making obviously risky decisions to get shot by most of the (legally or otherwise) gun carrying population. The biggest risk by far, and why I actually would not suggest people visit the US right now, is the government and ICE being totally out of control. They’re more likely to shoot a tourist than a regular local
Meh, I have seen someone shot over road rage and it wasn’t even their fault. I have been robbed at gun point in Tri-cities in Eastern Washington, not exactly a big city. I know a women who got murdered by her husband for talking to another man.
A lot of people die senselessly from guns in the US, but I get your point.
Absolutely not denying that it’s a problem, just trying to provide context to the idea that everyone in the US will shoot you just for existing or that bullets are just constantly whizzing through the air at all hours.
I’ve had guns pointed at me as well, and funnily enough, more have been from jumpy pigs than from regular people
Perception is more important than actual risk to most people. This is especially poignant considering you don’t have to visit the US on vacation and can just go somewhere else.
Let me ask you this, if you knew a nation was at war and losing about 50k citizens every year to said war would you want to visit? I think most sane people would say no.
I am reminded of the UK citizen who just went to visit her father in Texas who shot her after explaining it would be okay for Trump to rape her because he has other daughters.
I mean I am sorry, but the US is now worse than backwards Middle Eastern countries that are also statistically pretty damned safe. Doesn’t mean people want to visit either though.
The mind boggles that you understand this but want to encourage people to do the irrational thing instead of put the statistics in context. I get not trying to persuade people the US is safe to travel to (from the pov of gun violence) but why would you try to persuade them that it isn’t???
I am not doing shit. The UK government and other European nations do this without me (warn travelers about the US). I was just pointing it out and the possible rationales even if statistically it is a non-issue.
Preference and perception drive most people. Let’s just examine the fact that lots of people refuse to fly even though it is safer than driving. Are they wrong from a statistical analysis, sure. Are you going to convince them with stats, probably not.
When I wanted to visit the uNazied States of america the guns being prevalent wasn’t an issue. I’d have to be very unlucky to get shot whilst visiting the attractions I wanted to see.
Now, admittedly, it was a long time ago when I thought about visiting, and it was more like a “if I ever win the lottery then I’ll visit xxxx place” type thing.
Then their 2016 elections came along and ever since then there’s no fucking chance I’d ever go. You couldn’t pay me to visit.
What’s the point in having loads of cash if I’m being detained and locked up for who knows how long, and then being deported to an El Salvadorian death camp!!
Which company or indie dev would want to pay through the ass for the very real risk of having their people kidnapped by ICE and shoved in a concentration camp for weeks or even months, without any kind of (functional) appeal process?
Hilariously one of the more statistically dangerous cities in the country lol
I lived in Chicago for over 20 years and while I did see someone ditch a stolen car and escape the stereotypically-fat cops by jumping on a train, I never even heard gunfire.
A big portion of them are gang violence, meaning it’s targeted and not something you’d ever see. Like Mexico has an even bigger gang violence problem, but plenty of people travel there all the time.
Also, some of those gun crime numbers are “guy got arrested for drugs and had a gun on him”, not necessarily gun violence.
But, no. Just someone who enjoys pointing out the hypocrisy of people on social media. I call it like I see it. Almost every president over the past 45 years has been a warhawk.
Hes not been in power for over a decade, cant be in power again and left without incident and not in the epstien files. Obama derangement syndrome much. Bad faith and stupid
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I don’t dispute that (I’d even wager that the safer state is worse than the most dangerous eu country) but it’s not like it’s commonplace to get killed by a stranger. You’re more likely to die during travel unless you’re specifically traveling to dangerous neighborhoods
“I make video games for a living and have absolutely never said anything problematic or polarizing on social media. Can’t wait to cruise through airport security and immigration without a care in the world.”
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I feel personally attacked
Maybe they should move GDC somewhere less terrible for a couple years. Let Japan have it or something.
There is a gamedev conference that accompanies Gamescom in Germany every year.
https://dev.gamescom.global/
It has lived in the GDCs shadow up until know, but game (the organisation that organises the whole thing) should understand this as a chance
Brilliant Idea!
No one should be visiting the US for the foreseeable future.
Or after
the ticket is 500-1000 usd anyway. like wtf lol.
Given how big the LGBTQ+ community is in the games industry, they really need to host this in Vancouver or Toronto until things settle down in the USA.
why return to US?
Exactly. USA can GTFO
probably due to the large multi-building venue that they have to host the conference and the experience the staff have hosting it there.
As shocking as this may seem, other countries have conventions and experienced people to run them too.
Sorry – I was answering the question “why should GDC return to the US,” not “why should developers return to GDC.”
I already wouldn’t have gone to that country if you paid me. They let any idiot carry a fucking gun.
I’m not gonna say gun violence isn’t a problem here but…this reminds me of rightwingers going on about violence in Chicago. The reality is that most of the gun violence is isolated to certain areas and Chicago is a big place…the US is even bigger.
And it’s not like you’re being invited to visit a high school
Still, even the safest US states would rank among the most dangerous EU countries in terms of gun violence and gun related homicides.
We have lost 1.5 million people to gun violence the last three decades. More than every US soldier in every war combined. To pussy foot around with this is pretty ridiculous.
It’s not downplaying it at all, I’m saying gun violence being a significant factor in choosing not to travel in the US is pretty ridiculous.
Gun violence in the U$ is absolutely ridiculous. Not wanting to travel to a country that looses population to preventable issues like this is a no brainer.
https://theconversation.com/us-gun-crime-why-tourists-are-being-warned-to-avoid-and-beware-205906
Countries even warn their citizens like the US is some kind of violent third world nation. It would be embarrassing if the US gave a fuck, but they don’t.
Oh, it’s worse than that. The USA is arguably now a second-world country.
As someone who grew up in one of the more dangerous cities in the US, you generally have to be making obviously risky decisions to get shot by most of the (legally or otherwise) gun carrying population. The biggest risk by far, and why I actually would not suggest people visit the US right now, is the government and ICE being totally out of control. They’re more likely to shoot a tourist than a regular local
Meh, I have seen someone shot over road rage and it wasn’t even their fault. I have been robbed at gun point in Tri-cities in Eastern Washington, not exactly a big city. I know a women who got murdered by her husband for talking to another man.
A lot of people die senselessly from guns in the US, but I get your point.
Absolutely not denying that it’s a problem, just trying to provide context to the idea that everyone in the US will shoot you just for existing or that bullets are just constantly whizzing through the air at all hours.
I’ve had guns pointed at me as well, and funnily enough, more have been from jumpy pigs than from regular people
/r/shit_americans_say
What proportion of those are people visiting for work or tourism?
It’s ridiculous to downplay in the sense of the domestic response. But in terms of risk in this context, it’s not a factor.
Perception is more important than actual risk to most people. This is especially poignant considering you don’t have to visit the US on vacation and can just go somewhere else.
Let me ask you this, if you knew a nation was at war and losing about 50k citizens every year to said war would you want to visit? I think most sane people would say no.
I am reminded of the UK citizen who just went to visit her father in Texas who shot her after explaining it would be okay for Trump to rape her because he has other daughters.
I mean I am sorry, but the US is now worse than backwards Middle Eastern countries that are also statistically pretty damned safe. Doesn’t mean people want to visit either though.
The mind boggles that you understand this but want to encourage people to do the irrational thing instead of put the statistics in context. I get not trying to persuade people the US is safe to travel to (from the pov of gun violence) but why would you try to persuade them that it isn’t???
I am not doing shit. The UK government and other European nations do this without me (warn travelers about the US). I was just pointing it out and the possible rationales even if statistically it is a non-issue.
Preference and perception drive most people. Let’s just examine the fact that lots of people refuse to fly even though it is safer than driving. Are they wrong from a statistical analysis, sure. Are you going to convince them with stats, probably not.
You’re trying to justify the perception. If you’re not trying to, you’re doing it by accident, so maybe that’s something you can avoid.
Oddly that scares me less than the ones under payroll.
When I wanted to visit the uNazied States of america the guns being prevalent wasn’t an issue. I’d have to be very unlucky to get shot whilst visiting the attractions I wanted to see.
Now, admittedly, it was a long time ago when I thought about visiting, and it was more like a “if I ever win the lottery then I’ll visit xxxx place” type thing.
Then their 2016 elections came along and ever since then there’s no fucking chance I’d ever go. You couldn’t pay me to visit.
What’s the point in having loads of cash if I’m being detained and locked up for who knows how long, and then being deported to an El Salvadorian death camp!!
Which company or indie dev would want to pay through the ass for the very real risk of having their people kidnapped by ICE and shoved in a concentration camp for weeks or even months, without any kind of (functional) appeal process?
That’s true. I used to travel to Saint Louis quite regularly for work about ten years ago. It always seemed fine, at least on the surface.
Hilariously one of the more statistically dangerous cities in the country lol
I lived in Chicago for over 20 years and while I did see someone ditch a stolen car and escape the stereotypically-fat cops by jumping on a train, I never even heard gunfire.
I know. It still feels odd to me as a Dutchman though to know that there’s dozens of gun related crimes going on all the time.
I don’t love it either but you and I are probably have a similar chance of dying to gun violence even if the statistics say I’m 200% more likely to
A big portion of them are gang violence, meaning it’s targeted and not something you’d ever see. Like Mexico has an even bigger gang violence problem, but plenty of people travel there all the time.
Also, some of those gun crime numbers are “guy got arrested for drugs and had a gun on him”, not necessarily gun violence.
Strong 1930s Germany vibes
World cup teams should also skip the usa
It’s ok not going to the USA, it is more of a problem when they rock up in your country and use a tomahawk on your kids school.
Yup. Obama was a warhawk!
So, are you a propaganda bot or are you just totally ignorant of the real world?
Could be an edgy boi
Seems like one of those edgy conservatives who left Reddit because it’s “too communistic”.
I have been edging A LOT lately!
But, no. Just someone who enjoys pointing out the hypocrisy of people on social media. I call it like I see it.
Almostevery president over the past 45 years has been a warhawk.I don’t choose sides.
Yes Obama and Trump are exactly the same how could I not see it before.
Not exactly the same. Obama talked nice and made friends with celebrities. That’s all you really care about.
That’s why you are willing to brush off his detestable actions.
Your comment has destabilized my programming!! Shutting down!!
And…I…was just…learning…how to…love…
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Hes not been in power for over a decade, cant be in power again and left without incident and not in the epstien files. Obama derangement syndrome much. Bad faith and stupid
It isn’t safe.