Framework is nothing more, than a compromise with the enshittification came from the push of techbro journos soyfacing over ultrathin Macbooks, and having meltdowns if a notebook isn’t made with “high quality premium materials”.
Saw them as a possible thinkpad replacement but noped at the pricing then double noped after the I/O options. They are awesome machines though, glad they’re around, without them I’m not so sure Lenovo would have made the new T series so repairable.
In this thread: perfect being the enemy of better.
Overall I am very happy with companies interacting with and funding the open source development community. I respect framework a whole lot more than dell, for example.
Ah, OK, thanks. Now I remember I’ve seen some ridiculous photo of Orange man with golden plaque. Thought it was a joke/meme/AI slop, turns out it’s real, lol.
(Edit: Though apparently the 3000 had some issues early on. Which were notable because reliability and quality issues were so non-HP).
It was … quite a while ago though. By the time I came to use HP gear in the late 90s and on, they still had a reputation for quality, though it was increasingly less deserved.
I have an HP LaserJet 4050. I bought it with 450000 pages on it, and have likely put on another 20000. It was built in 1997, and still works perfectly. All of its maintenance parts are user-serviceable, its toner is generic and readily available, and it supports postscript and pcl. All you need to use it on a modern computer is a serial or parallel port, or use its internal network server that uses both the standard lpr protocol or HP jetdirect.
Yes, there absolutely was a time when HP made good stuff. It ended in the mid 2000s. When they stopped production of the HP 48 and 50 series calculators was the end of their good years.
It’s a bad time to learn that hyprland community is toxic. I’ve used it for a long while now pretty comfortably.
Seeing Framework give money to DHH is like watching someone step on a rake and defending it.
I’m tired of idiots who defend anything as long as they like it, and only care about morality when they’re offended.
I saw the same thing happen with popular new game Mewgenics where creator of Binding of Isaac, Edmund, defended including Chris Chan, who couldn’t be found guilty of SA’ing their demented mother on account of their autism.
It’s not only decision but the defense that makes these things look bad. They need to give money to fascists. They need to include controversial people. The people who defend it seem like they perceive criticism as personal attacks and retaliate in bad faith arguments.
At this point I’m venting. Lemmy is great because it tends to attract people who are less pressured to conform to their tribes, which is great for having authentic discussions.
I mean if just the community is toxic I just wouldn’t participate - if it’s some negative trait is that. I can use a tool and not contribute to that toxicity.
But for moral issues like supporting a project that I’m turn supports fascism, homophobia, etc. I will protest by simply not bring a user. I don’t make this part of my identity, I probably should though - I don’t check these things, I only find out.
It’s a bummer too because I was planning on getting a framework laptop. Wound up just getting another Lenovo business laptop secondhand lol.
Someone else probably can give better context, but basically Framework donated money to one project that had some controversy (I never actually saw much evidence for it being severe enough to really cause the type of backlash that Framework got) and repeatedly and disproportionately promoted another project by someone who seemingly to want mass deportation of brown people in London/UK and promotes such with the platform. Someone called framework on those two things and the CEO’s response on their forum was a “we want to run a big OOS tent” and then went to xitter to whine about the community being mean to them.
worth noting the platforms they use, too. they still promote their mastodon & bluesky accounts on their website, but they basically haven’t posted there in 4 months, since that’s where people called them on for their bullshit
on xitter tho? not only are they posting much more there, they’ve even paid the elon tax for that sweet blue checkmark!
framework, like any organization that declares itself a “big tent”, has embraced their new audience of fascists even if it means disregarding everyone else.
i only hope kde can escape the toxic sludge this connection will bring them.
But if so, it is more that they are simply not continuing to make additional contributions in the future. There was no apology for any confusion or anything like that, and they seem to be sticking to their “big tent” philosophy.
Not quite technically “money directly”, but definitely more than just “shoutouts”
We’ve sent out large quantities of hardware to folks at Fedora, Bluefin, Bazzite, NixOS, Arch Linux, Linux Mint, Omarchy, and many other distros, and have sponsored either the organizations directly or events with Linux Foundation, LVFS, NixOS, Debian, KDE, Hyprland, and others.
The creator, Vaxry, made many hateful comments. Mostly on Discord. I’m in the Arch Linux Community discord, which he got banned from a few years ago (I was not there at the time), and his message history there has tons of bad takes.
A former moderator on their official Discord forum made some offensive remarks or something. That soured the entire project for some people for good, I guess.
Most Nazis never killed Jewish people. Did Hitler ever even kill a Jewish person himself? Were the people in the Nazi party not Nazis in 1932 because the holocaust hadn’t started yet? And the genocide included far more than just Jewish people.
I was lucky enough to nab one before hardware prices went to the fucking moon. Specs are good enough that hopefully it’ll last me until prices drop again and I can afford to do selective upgrades on parts.
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Laptops looked neat, then I looked at pricing and possible I/O combos and Lenovo still kills it.
Framework is nothing more, than a compromise with the enshittification came from the push of techbro journos soyfacing over ultrathin Macbooks, and having meltdowns if a notebook isn’t made with “high quality premium materials”.
Saw them as a possible thinkpad replacement but noped at the pricing then double noped after the I/O options. They are awesome machines though, glad they’re around, without them I’m not so sure Lenovo would have made the new T series so repairable.
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In this thread: perfect being the enemy of better.
Overall I am very happy with companies interacting with and funding the open source development community. I respect framework a whole lot more than dell, for example.
Or the other manufacturer of high quality aluminium dev-spec laptops, who sent their CEO to the White House to give Trump a golden plaque.
I’m not familiar with all the situation at that side of the pond… HP?
Apple
Apple
Ah, OK, thanks. Now I remember I’ve seen some ridiculous photo of Orange man with golden plaque. Thought it was a joke/meme/AI slop, turns out it’s real, lol.
As others have commented, Apple … but also when was the last time HP was a manufacturer of quality anything? 😭
Was there a first time?
Once upon a time, HP and quality were synonymous.
https://www.hpmuseum.net/exhibit.php?class=3&cat=32
(Edit: Though apparently the 3000 had some issues early on. Which were notable because reliability and quality issues were so non-HP).
It was … quite a while ago though. By the time I came to use HP gear in the late 90s and on, they still had a reputation for quality, though it was increasingly less deserved.
I swear by HP test equipment.
I have an HP LaserJet 4050. I bought it with 450000 pages on it, and have likely put on another 20000. It was built in 1997, and still works perfectly. All of its maintenance parts are user-serviceable, its toner is generic and readily available, and it supports postscript and pcl. All you need to use it on a modern computer is a serial or parallel port, or use its internal network server that uses both the standard lpr protocol or HP jetdirect.
Yes, there absolutely was a time when HP made good stuff. It ended in the mid 2000s. When they stopped production of the HP 48 and 50 series calculators was the end of their good years.
Cool, but have they stopped supporting Nazis though?
Context?
If you have… Time, the forum post has a lot of the context and drama: https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986
It’s a bad time to learn that hyprland community is toxic. I’ve used it for a long while now pretty comfortably.
Seeing Framework give money to DHH is like watching someone step on a rake and defending it.
I’m tired of idiots who defend anything as long as they like it, and only care about morality when they’re offended.
I saw the same thing happen with popular new game Mewgenics where creator of Binding of Isaac, Edmund, defended including Chris Chan, who couldn’t be found guilty of SA’ing their demented mother on account of their autism.
It’s not only decision but the defense that makes these things look bad. They need to give money to fascists. They need to include controversial people. The people who defend it seem like they perceive criticism as personal attacks and retaliate in bad faith arguments.
At this point I’m venting. Lemmy is great because it tends to attract people who are less pressured to conform to their tribes, which is great for having authentic discussions.
I mean if just the community is toxic I just wouldn’t participate - if it’s some negative trait is that. I can use a tool and not contribute to that toxicity.
But for moral issues like supporting a project that I’m turn supports fascism, homophobia, etc. I will protest by simply not bring a user. I don’t make this part of my identity, I probably should though - I don’t check these things, I only find out.
It’s a bummer too because I was planning on getting a framework laptop. Wound up just getting another Lenovo business laptop secondhand lol.
JFC
Someone else probably can give better context, but basically Framework donated money to one project that had some controversy (I never actually saw much evidence for it being severe enough to really cause the type of backlash that Framework got) and repeatedly and disproportionately promoted another project by someone who seemingly to want mass deportation of brown people in London/UK and promotes such with the platform. Someone called framework on those two things and the CEO’s response on their forum was a “we want to run a big OOS tent” and then went to xitter to whine about the community being mean to them.
worth noting the platforms they use, too. they still promote their mastodon & bluesky accounts on their website, but they basically haven’t posted there in 4 months, since that’s where people called them on for their bullshit
on xitter tho? not only are they posting much more there, they’ve even paid the elon tax for that sweet blue checkmark!
framework, like any organization that declares itself a “big tent”, has embraced their new audience of fascists even if it means disregarding everyone else.
i only hope kde can escape the toxic sludge this connection will bring them.
Are you referring to Omarchy by David Heinemeier Hansson? He’s definitely a racist and not sponsored by Framework.
Can we also please stop calling every piece of shit a nazi?
If someone is a violent ethnonationalist I’m gonna call them a Nazi. I think my earlier reply already addresses your first point.
Then you’re diluting the power of the word Nazi, and therefore giving actual Nazis an advantage.
I believe so: https://frame.work/blog/framework-sponsorships
But if so, it is more that they are simply not continuing to make additional contributions in the future. There was no apology for any confusion or anything like that, and they seem to be sticking to their “big tent” philosophy.
They never gave Omarchy money directly from what I’m aware, just gave them shoutouts. Still not okay though
Not quite technically “money directly”, but definitely more than just “shoutouts”
https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986
Hyprland is still on the list
What is wrong with Hyprland?
The creator, Vaxry, made many hateful comments. Mostly on Discord. I’m in the Arch Linux Community discord, which he got banned from a few years ago (I was not there at the time), and his message history there has tons of bad takes.
who the fuck cares
A former moderator on their official Discord forum made some offensive remarks or something. That soured the entire project for some people for good, I guess.
Yeah, I’ve seen screenshots and their comments were pretty disgusting
And those comments don’t reflect the views of the devs. The mod was the issue
No, plenty came right out of Vaxry.
Last I looked they seemed to be trying to do better though. Way lower on the problematic list than anything DHH touches imo.
Wait, really? The devs don’t share those views?
It really takes nothing for people to become eternal haters.
What is the ethical fork of hyprland?
Is it ethical to fork it?
Yes it is. That is what forking is for
So if you think a code base or project is unethical, forking it fixes the problem?
XLibre comes to mind.
It’s either fork and continue the work or start from scratch and hope the pattern doesn’t repeat somehow 🤷
who are they supporting that has killed jewish people?
Most Nazis never killed Jewish people. Did Hitler ever even kill a Jewish person himself? Were the people in the Nazi party not Nazis in 1932 because the holocaust hadn’t started yet? And the genocide included far more than just Jewish people.
the goalposts are in fucking orbit
AKTUALY Murdering Innocent Civilians is AS Jewish as you can BE!
-The ADL, AIPAC, The BBC!
Nope.
Love these guys. Have one of their laptops and one of my friends recently ordered one as well. :)
I wanted to buy one but they are so damn expensive. DDR5 prices don’t help neither.
I was lucky enough to nab one before hardware prices went to the fucking moon. Specs are good enough that hopefully it’ll last me until prices drop again and I can afford to do selective upgrades on parts.
yep and they reduced gnome down to $0 after gnome called them nazi’s
good work gnome, you played yourself
A GNOME developer essentially called Framework’s CEO fashy. GNOME as a project did not deride Framework as Nazis.
Oh, I should start donating to Gnome.