Sony has started removing YouTube videos showing Concord running on fan-made custom servers, raising new questions about how far the company will go to shut down the community revival.
Tax write off means that the product is 100% disposable and cannot be duplicated, playable or usable in any tangible way since the corporation is declaring it an absolute loss.
It’s why BatGirl was scrapped but could never be released and also why Coyote vs. Acme initially was going to suffer the same fate before ketchup studios (day the earth blew up…which was almost a tax write off as well) bought the rights to it
more like sony is begging people to forget about sony. Even when people do something that could benefit them they punish them. (concord failed, but this way there could have been a chance people might have gotten interested in it again and they could have tried opening official servers again, with basically no risk, and start selling the game again). They rather eat up millions of losses than give ANY agency to the users. And ultimately, isnt this just people trying to make the game they paid for work? How is this different from a scam anyway? They got what little money they got and those who gave it to them got nothing for it.
Dont buy anything shitty companies like this make. By doing so you enable them and are part of the problem.
If you want to pirate a camera, a phone, a set of headphones, a walkman, a games console or any other consumer electronics goods, be my guest. I don’t see how you can do that…
Sony has been the publisher for a zillion games via SEI.
They also literally directly own a bunch of game studios including Naughty Dog (The Last of Us, Uncharted, all the way back to Crash Bandicoot), Arrowhead Studios (Helldivers), Guerilla Games (Horizon) and now also Bungie (Destiny, Halo). That’s just a few of the big studios they own. Complete list here: https://www.gamesradar.com/playstation-studios-sony/
Edit: Oh and of course they owned the studio that made Concord (Firewalk Studios)
Yes I know, (my Sony boycott is a well-informed one, before I purchase a game I make sure that there’s no Sony stench coming off it), and I can understand how you can pirate those (Which I assume was the joke that Tattorack was making).
But Sony is much bigger than just its games division. It’s also the music label, the movie label and the electronics. Music and Movies can also be “pirated”, but not the consumer electronics.
According to video game podcast host Colin Moriarty, citing an unnamed Concorddeveloper, the game had development costs of $400 million, although this figure was disputed by several PlayStation developers on social media.
Reacting to the game’s reported development cost of $400 million, Christopher Dring, head of GamesIndustry.biz, questioned media reports that took the figure seriously: “No game has that dev budget. The press reports are the laughing stock of the industry. Concord didn’t even get any above-the-line marketing spend.”
How weird is it that there are people who liked Concord so much that they spent all of their time and money to get something patched together just so they could play it again.
Didn’t it overwhelmingly bomb and had like no players towards the end?
Sony seemed to want it to fail. Reviewers only got their hands on it shortly before release. Most didn’t like it. Marvel Rivals was dropping soon. It was doomed.
IIRC, it wasn’t a terrible game. It just wasn’t a unique enough game to compete in the space. Just another hero shooter. Just another live service. And thus it failed to meet overinflated expectations. Sony didn’t give it any time to grow or adapt.
Sony went all in on live service games, expecting them to all do gangbusters and to do so for forever. Their high expectations are slipping and failing to be met with Destiny. They bought Bungie for live service games too.
Oh, and Marathon. That one is in a precarious spot. Being delayed after an unexpectedly rough public beta.
As a Mac owner when I was young, Bungie was my great saving grace for gaming. Loved Marathon even though it ran like shit.
Seeing it turned into that absolute trash and then discovering they didn’t even use AI but straight up stole artwork for it was the final nail in the coffin. Bungie is dead.
Considering how much Bungie has fucked over their one game and its playerbase for years and seem to keep finding ways to double down on it, I never had any faith in Marathon from the beginning.
What’s wild is this is far from the first time that studio’s been caught for art theft too.
I think I’ve boycotted sony for one thing or the other for the large part of my adult life. Only backed down in 2021 and bought some shares. Time to return back to normal I guess.
I’ve made a whole series of purchase decisions based on similar motivation. For decades I’ve avoided DSLRs, consoles, games, phones, tablets and a whole bunch of products made by Sony. I pirate what I can, everything else is just off-limits.
The only exception I make is used consoles since I know they hate that the used market exists. Even then, they haven’t really put out anything worth getting since ps2.
I’ve been using Bose Quiet Comfort noise reduction headphones for almost 2 decades now, ever since I had to do software development in a large open space office alongside the noisy business-side types (this was in Investment Banking - so whilst not a heavy-machinery-noisy environment, certain the top range of office noisy) and those they were very good already back then (I’m still using at home the first model I got, after replacing the ear-pads which is what gets damaged over time).
The QC 3.5 and onwards have bluetooth AND also a wired connection as fallback (which I have had to use with devices without bluetooth).
Of course, you pay for it (last ones I got were €250 if I remember it correctly), but then again they last a long time (as I said, the first ones, now almost 2 decades old, are still work fine even if the outside is all scratched up and they’re now on the 5th or 6th pair or earpads).
I very much doubt Sony one’s are anywhere close to that, especially given that the quality of Sony devices took a massive dive in the late 90s when top level management which until then was dominated by the Engineering side was taken over by the Media side took over (before they used to be known for the high quality of their electronics).
I actually have been using those Bose QC over the ear ones for a few years now (and I already had to replace the pads once), and they’re not great. IIRC I paid like $300, and they’re definitely not worth that much. I’m not that picky about sound quality, but the UX is terrible. Powering it on is a crap shoot. Sometimes you press the button, and 5 seconds later it plays a sound to indicate it turned on. Sometimes it takes 10 seconds, sometimes more. Sometimes it doesn’t even turn on, and you just sit there doing nothing waiting to see if it decided to turn on this time, or if you have to hold the button for ~30 seconds to get it unstuck. Sometimes that sound that plays when powering on even gets interrupted by the bluetooth connection notice. Sometimes, it gets stuck in a loop switching between sound isolation modes, just endlessly saying “Aware. Immersion. Quiet.” until you intervene.
It’s also hard to simply wear them around your neck when your ears get tired and you just want to use them as tiny speakers. This is for two reasons. First, the placement of the physical buttons on the side of the cups means that they will accidentally get pressed when the cups collide (which will happen when you wear them around your neck). Second, they will constantly pause whenever they get close to your chin, as they’ll think you took them off your head. That part is overly sensitive, and they were too cheap/lazy to add a simple sensor to detect the rotation of the cups to know when they’re not being used over-ear.
And finally, the battery life is not good enough to last an entire work day, so you’ll have to connect them to power… except, for some reason, connecting a usb cable to charge causes it to shutdown immediately. You can use them while charging, but you have to power them back on/reconnect them after connecting the cable, which means you have to play the annoying waiting/guessing game again with the power button!
I have other complaints, but whatever. When they’re working, they’re fine, but I’m probably done with Bose. These little issues on such an expensive product left a bad taste in my mouth. I don’t know how Sony’s over the ear headphones compare, but the in-ear ones I have are amazing simply because they work as intended 99% of the time without any of this kind of bullshit.
I use headphones, which cover the full ear so I don’t get any “tired ears” from those. Maybe you’re using a totally different model (no idea if BOSE have earphones and if they’re any good - I avoid any earphones exactly because of getting “tired ears” with them).
If you’re using headphones, maybe you have the QC 3 (which are widelly seen as shit)?!
I have had over the years the original QC, QC 2.5 and QC 3.5 and still use the QC and QC 3.5 with none of those problems (funnilly enough, the oldest, an original QC, uses a single removable AAA battery, and I use rechargeable ones and even that will last around 3 - 4 days, whilst the built-in LiPo in the QC 3.5 lasts even more than that when using bluetooth, and even more when using an audio wire).
I’m using “Bose QuietComfort Ultra Headphones” manufactured in 2024, according to the app. I can’t find any model number, but I just looked up the order in my email and it turns out I’ve actually only had it for a little over a year, and the price was a ridiculous $380. Luckily, I only ended up paying around $200 because I had reward points with the vendor, but I would definitely not recommend these to anyone at $400. At $200? Maybe, but I wouldn’t buy it again at that lower price.
My ears fit in the cups, but they still get tired sometimes after wearing them the entire day. Idk what to tell you, I guess my ears are too big and brush up against the inside of the cups? It’s not a real issue for me, and doesn’t happen often, which is why I didn’t even mention comfort as being a problem.
Do you really not experience any of the software issues I mentioned? The Bose app even says I’m on the latest firmware version.
In my own experience, the original QCs were great tech for the time, the QC 2.5 (or maybe I had a QC 2?) had issues and lasted much less and then the QC 3.5 were again great (the battery lasts way longer, build quality is nice and the user interface is decent with no such problems as your reported “easy to switch off” button).
Also I never used the manufacturer’s app, and it’s not really needed even with with the wireless 3.5 model (I don’t even know if there’s a mfg app for those), certainly not with the previous ones which are wired.
(As a general rule I avoid mfg apps since they’re almost always overbloated shit and instead always chose devices which do not require an app).
The QC 3.5 was launched almost a decade ago, so plenty of time for later models to have been enshittified.
Damn those headphones you have are from the pre-enshitiffication era. Cherish them!
The headphones work without the app fortunately, but you need it to control EQ settings, isolation settings, and install firmware updates. They’re kinda like the shitty software that PC gaming peripherals ship to control LED colors or whatever.
So DMCA takedowns are only for gameplay videos, they haven’t sent any takedown (or any other) notice to whoever is hosting / running / developing the custom server code.
You can’t go after the server devs without those streamers publicizing the takedowns. The better choice is to hit streamers then nuke the servers once people forget about the game.
Palworld is a AA game, they had outside funding ala Sony, they are not a full indie studio. They are in-between. This is well known.
Edit: This is also not equivalent at all. Have you seen Sony chip in on the Nintendo v palworld case? They don’t have a stake in it even remotely. Pocketpair stands by themselves, them getting funding by Sony is highly irrelevant.
Im not sure you understand how companies work. Which is okay you don’t have to. But Sony, a super company does not actually have a stake in 99% of the things it invests in. It throws money at stuff for a multitude of reasons then wipes it hands. The thing existing at a particular time helps them the money and stakes are irrelevant.
Basically Sony wanted Palworld on Playstation and probably knew pocket pair would fight Nintendo, this gave them a chance to watch from the sidelines. Also Aniplex was a big part of this deal, unsure how much. Sony doesn’t own the ip, and cannot tell pocket pair what to do. These two things are literally mountains apart, since Sony cannot do anything with palworld.
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Nintendo: I am the shittiest!
Sony: Hold my beer…
Are people still having anything to do with Sony? The absolutly worst compny ever, Comcast is second place. Complete shit.
So let me get this straight… They’re still burning money on Concord through legal costs? Just walk away guys.
Sony is doing a Tax write off 100%
I don’t know a lot about the American legal system, is suing people a tax write off?
Tax write off means that the product is 100% disposable and cannot be duplicated, playable or usable in any tangible way since the corporation is declaring it an absolute loss.
It’s why BatGirl was scrapped but could never be released and also why Coyote vs. Acme initially was going to suffer the same fate before ketchup studios (day the earth blew up…which was almost a tax write off as well) bought the rights to it
I don’t believe they need to erase it from history in order to do that
It’s my IP to sit on and do nothing with!
more like sony is begging people to forget about sony. Even when people do something that could benefit them they punish them. (concord failed, but this way there could have been a chance people might have gotten interested in it again and they could have tried opening official servers again, with basically no risk, and start selling the game again). They rather eat up millions of losses than give ANY agency to the users. And ultimately, isnt this just people trying to make the game they paid for work? How is this different from a scam anyway? They got what little money they got and those who gave it to them got nothing for it.
Dont buy anything shitty companies like this make. By doing so you enable them and are part of the problem.
They really hate their own fans. Be aware of that next time you purchase any Sony product.
I don’t understand the word “purchasing” in the context of “Sony product”. What do you mean with that?
If you want to pirate a camera, a phone, a set of headphones, a walkman, a games console or any other consumer electronics goods, be my guest. I don’t see how you can do that…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sony_Interactive_Entertainment_video_games
Sony has been the publisher for a zillion games via SEI.
They also literally directly own a bunch of game studios including Naughty Dog (The Last of Us, Uncharted, all the way back to Crash Bandicoot), Arrowhead Studios (Helldivers), Guerilla Games (Horizon) and now also Bungie (Destiny, Halo). That’s just a few of the big studios they own. Complete list here: https://www.gamesradar.com/playstation-studios-sony/
Edit: Oh and of course they owned the studio that made Concord (Firewalk Studios)
Yes I know, (my Sony boycott is a well-informed one, before I purchase a game I make sure that there’s no Sony stench coming off it), and I can understand how you can pirate those (Which I assume was the joke that Tattorack was making).
But Sony is much bigger than just its games division. It’s also the music label, the movie label and the electronics. Music and Movies can also be “pirated”, but not the consumer electronics.
Simple. I’ll just download it. Back in my day you used to be able to download RAM too.
epic anti-piracy ad music
You wouldn’t download RAM
Funnily enough they pirated that music for the anti-piracy ad on vhs tapes.
Sony doesn’t only make games.
I’m not awake yet. Thought this was a response to me. Sorry. Have had a crappy night
I stopped buying anime when they bought up all the major NA distributors.
Must be nice to simply write off 250+ million. Sony needs to be broken up.
I thought the 250m was fake news?
Edit:
Idk I heard grand theft fuck your union 6 has a budget of 1.5 billion. Maybe also fake news but… yeah.
Also star citizen is a thing but thats a whole other can of space worms.
Ahh yes, just the PR Sony wants after Valve dropped an atomic bomb of an announcement.
What was the announcement?
Oh, yeah. I saw that all over Lemmy. I thought they might have been talking about something else.
Thanks for the response.
Pissing off perhaps the only fans of this failure lol
How weird is it that there are people who liked Concord so much that they spent all of their time and money to get something patched together just so they could play it again.
Didn’t it overwhelmingly bomb and had like no players towards the end?
Anyways good for them and screw Sony lawyers.
Sony seemed to want it to fail. Reviewers only got their hands on it shortly before release. Most didn’t like it. Marvel Rivals was dropping soon. It was doomed.
IIRC, it wasn’t a terrible game. It just wasn’t a unique enough game to compete in the space. Just another hero shooter. Just another live service. And thus it failed to meet overinflated expectations. Sony didn’t give it any time to grow or adapt.
Sony went all in on live service games, expecting them to all do gangbusters and to do so for forever. Their high expectations are slipping and failing to be met with Destiny. They bought Bungie for live service games too.
Oh, and Marathon. That one is in a precarious spot. Being delayed after an unexpectedly rough public beta.
Marathon being brought back as a live servive extraction shooter/battle royale was an immediate turn off for me, personally.
As a Mac owner when I was young, Bungie was my great saving grace for gaming. Loved Marathon even though it ran like shit.
Seeing it turned into that absolute trash and then discovering they didn’t even use AI but straight up stole artwork for it was the final nail in the coffin. Bungie is dead.
I wonder how things would have been like if Apple, not Microsoft, bought Bungie for exclusive rights to Halo. 🤔
All five of us Mac gamers would have loved it
Considering how much Bungie has fucked over their one game and its playerbase for years and seem to keep finding ways to double down on it, I never had any faith in Marathon from the beginning.
What’s wild is this is far from the first time that studio’s been caught for art theft too.
Its become Cartmanland to me. I want to check it out. I wouldn’t pay for it, but I want to check it out.
Once in a while Sony reconfirms my choice to boycott them since the rootkit CD scandal in the 00s.
I think I’ve boycotted sony for one thing or the other for the large part of my adult life. Only backed down in 2021 and bought some shares. Time to return back to normal I guess.
I’ve made a whole series of purchase decisions based on similar motivation. For decades I’ve avoided DSLRs, consoles, games, phones, tablets and a whole bunch of products made by Sony. I pirate what I can, everything else is just off-limits.
The only exception I make is used consoles since I know they hate that the used market exists. Even then, they haven’t really put out anything worth getting since ps2.
Same. I’ll never make the mistake of purchasing a Sony product ever again
They make some pretty good bluetooth headphones though…
I’ve been using Bose Quiet Comfort noise reduction headphones for almost 2 decades now, ever since I had to do software development in a large open space office alongside the noisy business-side types (this was in Investment Banking - so whilst not a heavy-machinery-noisy environment, certain the top range of office noisy) and those they were very good already back then (I’m still using at home the first model I got, after replacing the ear-pads which is what gets damaged over time).
The QC 3.5 and onwards have bluetooth AND also a wired connection as fallback (which I have had to use with devices without bluetooth).
Of course, you pay for it (last ones I got were €250 if I remember it correctly), but then again they last a long time (as I said, the first ones, now almost 2 decades old, are still work fine even if the outside is all scratched up and they’re now on the 5th or 6th pair or earpads).
I very much doubt Sony one’s are anywhere close to that, especially given that the quality of Sony devices took a massive dive in the late 90s when top level management which until then was dominated by the Engineering side was taken over by the Media side took over (before they used to be known for the high quality of their electronics).
I actually have been using those Bose QC over the ear ones for a few years now (and I already had to replace the pads once), and they’re not great. IIRC I paid like $300, and they’re definitely not worth that much. I’m not that picky about sound quality, but the UX is terrible. Powering it on is a crap shoot. Sometimes you press the button, and 5 seconds later it plays a sound to indicate it turned on. Sometimes it takes 10 seconds, sometimes more. Sometimes it doesn’t even turn on, and you just sit there doing nothing waiting to see if it decided to turn on this time, or if you have to hold the button for ~30 seconds to get it unstuck. Sometimes that sound that plays when powering on even gets interrupted by the bluetooth connection notice. Sometimes, it gets stuck in a loop switching between sound isolation modes, just endlessly saying “Aware. Immersion. Quiet.” until you intervene.
It’s also hard to simply wear them around your neck when your ears get tired and you just want to use them as tiny speakers. This is for two reasons. First, the placement of the physical buttons on the side of the cups means that they will accidentally get pressed when the cups collide (which will happen when you wear them around your neck). Second, they will constantly pause whenever they get close to your chin, as they’ll think you took them off your head. That part is overly sensitive, and they were too cheap/lazy to add a simple sensor to detect the rotation of the cups to know when they’re not being used over-ear.
And finally, the battery life is not good enough to last an entire work day, so you’ll have to connect them to power… except, for some reason, connecting a usb cable to charge causes it to shutdown immediately. You can use them while charging, but you have to power them back on/reconnect them after connecting the cable, which means you have to play the annoying waiting/guessing game again with the power button!
I have other complaints, but whatever. When they’re working, they’re fine, but I’m probably done with Bose. These little issues on such an expensive product left a bad taste in my mouth. I don’t know how Sony’s over the ear headphones compare, but the in-ear ones I have are amazing simply because they work as intended 99% of the time without any of this kind of bullshit.
This is totally different from my experience.
I use headphones, which cover the full ear so I don’t get any “tired ears” from those. Maybe you’re using a totally different model (no idea if BOSE have earphones and if they’re any good - I avoid any earphones exactly because of getting “tired ears” with them).
If you’re using headphones, maybe you have the QC 3 (which are widelly seen as shit)?!
I have had over the years the original QC, QC 2.5 and QC 3.5 and still use the QC and QC 3.5 with none of those problems (funnilly enough, the oldest, an original QC, uses a single removable AAA battery, and I use rechargeable ones and even that will last around 3 - 4 days, whilst the built-in LiPo in the QC 3.5 lasts even more than that when using bluetooth, and even more when using an audio wire).
I’m using “Bose QuietComfort Ultra Headphones” manufactured in 2024, according to the app. I can’t find any model number, but I just looked up the order in my email and it turns out I’ve actually only had it for a little over a year, and the price was a ridiculous $380. Luckily, I only ended up paying around $200 because I had reward points with the vendor, but I would definitely not recommend these to anyone at $400. At $200? Maybe, but I wouldn’t buy it again at that lower price.
My ears fit in the cups, but they still get tired sometimes after wearing them the entire day. Idk what to tell you, I guess my ears are too big and brush up against the inside of the cups? It’s not a real issue for me, and doesn’t happen often, which is why I didn’t even mention comfort as being a problem.
Do you really not experience any of the software issues I mentioned? The Bose app even says I’m on the latest firmware version.
Fuck, maybe they went down in quality again 😬
In my own experience, the original QCs were great tech for the time, the QC 2.5 (or maybe I had a QC 2?) had issues and lasted much less and then the QC 3.5 were again great (the battery lasts way longer, build quality is nice and the user interface is decent with no such problems as your reported “easy to switch off” button).
Also I never used the manufacturer’s app, and it’s not really needed even with with the wireless 3.5 model (I don’t even know if there’s a mfg app for those), certainly not with the previous ones which are wired.
(As a general rule I avoid mfg apps since they’re almost always overbloated shit and instead always chose devices which do not require an app).
The QC 3.5 was launched almost a decade ago, so plenty of time for later models to have been enshittified.
Damn those headphones you have are from the pre-enshitiffication era. Cherish them!
The headphones work without the app fortunately, but you need it to control EQ settings, isolation settings, and install firmware updates. They’re kinda like the shitty software that PC gaming peripherals ship to control LED colors or whatever.
Sony: we think it’s the gamers fault the game isn’t successful.
gamers: hey, can we play it then?
Sony: fuck off
So DMCA takedowns are only for gameplay videos, they haven’t sent any takedown (or any other) notice to whoever is hosting / running / developing the custom server code.
It will be interesting to see how it progresses.
You can’t go after the server devs without those streamers publicizing the takedowns. The better choice is to hit streamers then nuke the servers once people forget about the game.
Seeing G*mers attitudes change on Sony between this and Palworld. Is a tonal whiplash to say the least.
What did Sony do to Palworld?
And pray tell, what attitudes are you talking about?
Calling Sony a bunch of bastards here.
While calling Palworld an indy game despite the Sony connection.
Palworld is a AA game, they had outside funding ala Sony, they are not a full indie studio. They are in-between. This is well known.
Edit: This is also not equivalent at all. Have you seen Sony chip in on the Nintendo v palworld case? They don’t have a stake in it even remotely. Pocketpair stands by themselves, them getting funding by Sony is highly irrelevant.
My brother is Christ.
They literally worked together to create a company to handle the IP.
Yeah… thats what AA is pal.
Then saying Sony has nothing to do with the Nintendo stuff. Is to put it lightly. FUCKING BULLSHIT.
Im not sure you understand how companies work. Which is okay you don’t have to. But Sony, a super company does not actually have a stake in 99% of the things it invests in. It throws money at stuff for a multitude of reasons then wipes it hands. The thing existing at a particular time helps them the money and stakes are irrelevant.
https://www.ign.com/articles/palworld-dev-signs-deal-with-sony-to-form-palworld-entertainment-and-expand-the-ip
Basically Sony wanted Palworld on Playstation and probably knew pocket pair would fight Nintendo, this gave them a chance to watch from the sidelines. Also Aniplex was a big part of this deal, unsure how much. Sony doesn’t own the ip, and cannot tell pocket pair what to do. These two things are literally mountains apart, since Sony cannot do anything with palworld.
They really want people to forget all about Concord.