It does have a lot of replay value because the gameplay loop is tight, and the foreshadowing work is so outstandingly tight that every in-game conversation has a second layer of meaning once you know the story twists.
Also they added a photo mode and I kinda wanna do a NG+ just for that.
Honestly, I think knowing might help get through chapter 1. You know something’s up almost immediately, but they drag the mystery out way too long for my patience, where I felt like I was being fucked around with and having my time wasted. I would have dropped it if not for my partner insisting I’d like it, and the rest of the story did end up being worth it.
So… hold on, is it “a historic first”? I guess the TGAs haven’t been around that long. There have definitely been major GOTY awards for French games before, though.
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Well, in UK the queen was used to make lords people that had great merit for the nation: Sir Sinclair for the quite popular zx spectrum and Sir Terry Prachett for amazing narrative, on turtle, universe he crafted.
I don’t remember there was any requirements on political side (queen or parliament) to acknowledge people’s merit to the nation.
I do have a question playing this game: how many decided to play with French language and subs? Somehow it feels that is the way intended with this game
Played in French. Wish that was the original version. Especially since my understanding is the performance capture was done by a French cast and the English cast that is getting all the press and accolades did the voice work exclusively.
I would have preferred if the voice and facial animation was targeted to the French language. I don’t know why European games are so afraid of not being in English. If Persona can do it so can E33. Or maybe not? Certainly the cast was a selling point, so what do I know.
The English VA is really good and if you don’t speak French you will miss some characterizing lines. Combat barks and such aren’t subtitled, and neither is what little passive chatter between NPCs there is.
English Esquie is one of the most delightful things I’ve ever had the joy of experiencing. He’s voiced by the same person in both, but in French he just sounds French. In English he gets to have a French accent. Every character with a French accent is at odds with the main cast in a way that’s very flavorful. It just makes all the Frenchness really pop, like mixing sweet and salty.
Nope, even tho the game is french, the original is English and French is a dub. They even splurged for well known/good english voice actors. But french dub is also good, so you can go for it if you want. Try both for a few minutes and decide which one you want, I guess?
Dawn French was (is) one of the most recognisable English actor (English, as in the country, not the language). Getting her to do the dub just because she has “French” in her name was the joke.
Akshully both are dubs, but the script and mocap sessions were done in English. On top of that the French dub was outsourced and the game director and lead writer weren’t in the studio like for the English dub, and it shows IMO. Some French lines clearly don’t have the same level of direction as the “canonical” dub.
However I will say it’s still a better dub than most French dubs. I’d argue the bar is on the floor but the francophone dubbing lobby would draw and quarter me for holding such heretic opinions.
I’ve had very little luck with playing games in French lately, recent dubs I’ve tried all sound like poorly acted téléfilms imo…
That’s a shame, because both Plague Tale games, as well as E33 might (could) sound much better in French, but I can’t get past the way VA is done when compared to their English counterpart.
I switched to french with English subtitles… Because Mielle sounded like Shadowheart. It was fine for most stuff, but all of the jump/dodge/hit sounds, it sounded just like her.
I’m french, and I found it really good. But it’s only my humble opinion ^^. All my french friends played it in french, and none of them found it bad to my knowledge.
It’s only because we’re used to shit dub, it’s extremely rare to have a legit good dub (there’s a whole legit institutional problem there). If you can’t keep up with English dub, it’s good enough, but you’re still missing out a lot with Serkis, Cox, English that the French version can’t match. No one’s winning any award.
For me it’s not about winning an award but immersion. Hell, french dub is a so small market compared to english that it could explain why it’s not even taken into account for awards.
But on the music side, know that Expedition 33 has different ending musics in french and english, and even though I listen to a lot of english songs, the french one is so far better (“Aux lendemains non écrits”). The singer is simply more fluid in french than she is in english, or, I don’t know, but I simply can’t stand the english one compared to it. The meaning communicated through the words is not the same either.
Anyway, the important thing is that each of us finds ourselves satisfied with what they did :)
Aux lendemains non écrits is sung in French even with English dubs. There are some songs that have an alternate version where the language changes, so I’m not sure if there is an English version of that one playing somewhere else.
I still cannot get into the mood to finish it. I just got the bouncy giant and moody boy #2, but I’m too zapped to continue. It needs to become an animated series like Arcane
Compared to dictators (or wannabe), I get that Macron seems attractive. But he’s proven to be pro-rich (taxes on the rich have been drastically cut under Macron) and anti-democratic (he’s ignored the result of the last election and nominated a plethora of prime ministers from parties who lost).
I am not that much interested in Macron (or any other) political career; I just get the signaling when a bad politician want it easy (to screw people) and go for elderly people instead to put some effort to convince the future generations.
I just don‘t like the game because it has turn based combat. Like it‘s an RPG but you can‘t demolish foes with reaction skills. Where‘s the fun in that?
I need a distinction between VIDEO games (interactable videos with fail cases so it’s a game in the end but barely) and video GAMES (games you can see and not imagine, like basketball: no story, no progression, just rule based win/lose thing)
So as a customer my selection process is shorter. The label “Video game” is getting too big that it’s becoming useless. Imagine all the citrus fruits were called citrus fruits. I mean yeah but I wanna know if I’m buying an orange or a lemon, I like both but not in the same situation.
edit: I couldn’t stop thinking about the fruits: Citrus with sugar elements, Aroma driven Citrus
You’re just looking for genres. Your comment is a little like saying “when I want to listen to music, I don’t want acoustic guitar. That instrument shouldn’t be called music.”
Videogame us called videogame because it is a game that displays itself with video. You seem to be missing that videogames come in genres, like music, books, and movies.
Genres don’t tell me how much of a game is cutscenes and how much of the game is controlled by inputs. I guess you can argue for more labels but then we’ll have labels too long that they need abbrevations (extra cognitive load for the reader) so why not a new word (the same congitive load)?
The genre for anything with a heavy cutscene amount is typically “Story rich”. Doesn’t tell you the ratio between cutscenes and action, but that’s messy to measure anyways.
If you wanna get pedantic and actually measure that ratio, you could start with a new kind of genre with something like 60S40A for 60% story 40% action and see if there’d be enough people who care enough to use the same labelling.
I loved the fight mechanics and I’m sure there was a good story in there if I cared but one thing that really grinded my gears was the goddamn cutscenes. Not only that but the incessant cut scene that leads into another cut scene that leads into another cut scene. Seriously I spent half the game skipping cut scenes.
Could be worse, could be a marathon run of the Metal Gear series with a ban on skipping cutscenes. Also the fuck did you expect from an aggressively French JRPG style game, FFS JRPGs are defined by their cutscenes.
Please don’t, unless it’s a toggle in the menu like with the Renpy engine. I don’t want to watch a long cutscene that I know by heart just because I’m playing on a new thing without my local saves.
What Sekiro type mechanics? It basically has nothing outside of the timed combat mechanics which are far from unique amongst various games, hell I’m pretty sure Jedi Academy which has combat mechanics closer to Daggerfall or Mount and Blade had a timed party mechanic though I could never figure it out.
Do yourself a favor and look at the tags for a game before playing it. Looking at the steam page it has both story rich and JRPG as tags, this is basically tag speech for long fucking cutscenes.
Outside of America many countries have a strong sense of pride especially when something is overtly representing them and their culture.
As a Canadian if they made this game with hockey and toques I’d damn well expect the prime minister to applaud them when they won game of the year too.
I’m assuming you’re 14, so I’ll explain in simple terms: the game is a success, the game is French, the president of France is celebrating that the game of the year is French. In the process, he is trying to make himself look good.
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It deserves all the praise it has received. What an incredible game.
Steam reviews are comedy gold.
I did myself the disservice of watching a synopsis of the game to see what the hype is all about. All spoilers known.
Holy shit am I going to buy the hell out of this game anyway.
It does have a lot of replay value because the gameplay loop is tight, and the foreshadowing work is so outstandingly tight that every in-game conversation has a second layer of meaning once you know the story twists.
Also they added a photo mode and I kinda wanna do a NG+ just for that.
Honestly, I think knowing might help get through chapter 1. You know something’s up almost immediately, but they drag the mystery out way too long for my patience, where I felt like I was being fucked around with and having my time wasted. I would have dropped it if not for my partner insisting I’d like it, and the rest of the story did end up being worth it.
So… hold on, is it “a historic first”? I guess the TGAs haven’t been around that long. There have definitely been major GOTY awards for French games before, though.
French president holding to shred of relevancy and noteworthiness tries to coopt national success he had nothing to do with. Now to our main story tonight, is the weather getting colder?
Well, in UK the queen was used to make lords people that had great merit for the nation: Sir Sinclair for the quite popular zx spectrum and Sir Terry Prachett for amazing narrative, on turtle, universe he crafted.
I don’t remember there was any requirements on political side (queen or parliament) to acknowledge people’s merit to the nation.
It meets the hype. Fully.
Absolute. Cinema!
I do have a question playing this game: how many decided to play with French language and subs? Somehow it feels that is the way intended with this game
Played in French. Wish that was the original version. Especially since my understanding is the performance capture was done by a French cast and the English cast that is getting all the press and accolades did the voice work exclusively.
I would have preferred if the voice and facial animation was targeted to the French language. I don’t know why European games are so afraid of not being in English. If Persona can do it so can E33. Or maybe not? Certainly the cast was a selling point, so what do I know.
The English VA is really good and if you don’t speak French you will miss some characterizing lines. Combat barks and such aren’t subtitled, and neither is what little passive chatter between NPCs there is.
English Esquie is one of the most delightful things I’ve ever had the joy of experiencing. He’s voiced by the same person in both, but in French he just sounds French. In English he gets to have a French accent. Every character with a French accent is at odds with the main cast in a way that’s very flavorful. It just makes all the Frenchness really pop, like mixing sweet and salty.
Nope, even tho the game is french, the original is English and French is a dub. They even splurged for well known/good english voice actors. But french dub is also good, so you can go for it if you want. Try both for a few minutes and decide which one you want, I guess?
Yeah I’m French and I actually played it in English… Mostly for Jennifer English
They should get Dawn French to do the French dub
Is Dawn really the Frenchest name you could think of?
Dawn French was (is) one of the most recognisable English actor (English, as in the country, not the language). Getting her to do the dub just because she has “French” in her name was the joke.
whoops
Akshully both are dubs, but the script and mocap sessions were done in English. On top of that the French dub was outsourced and the game director and lead writer weren’t in the studio like for the English dub, and it shows IMO. Some French lines clearly don’t have the same level of direction as the “canonical” dub.
However I will say it’s still a better dub than most French dubs. I’d argue the bar is on the floor but the francophone dubbing lobby would draw and quarter me for holding such heretic opinions.
I’ve had very little luck with playing games in French lately, recent dubs I’ve tried all sound like poorly acted téléfilms imo…
That’s a shame, because both Plague Tale games, as well as E33 might (could) sound much better in French, but I can’t get past the way VA is done when compared to their English counterpart.
Daym, I’m very interested in sprucing up my french and this sounds like a great way to do that.
I switched to french with English subtitles… Because Mielle sounded like Shadowheart. It was fine for most stuff, but all of the jump/dodge/hit sounds, it sounded just like her.
Disadvantages of common voice actors…
I’ve been told the French is rather mediocre compared to the English.
I’m french, and I found it really good. But it’s only my humble opinion ^^. All my french friends played it in french, and none of them found it bad to my knowledge.
It’s only because we’re used to shit dub, it’s extremely rare to have a legit good dub (there’s a whole legit institutional problem there). If you can’t keep up with English dub, it’s good enough, but you’re still missing out a lot with Serkis, Cox, English that the French version can’t match. No one’s winning any award.
For me it’s not about winning an award but immersion. Hell, french dub is a so small market compared to english that it could explain why it’s not even taken into account for awards.
But on the music side, know that Expedition 33 has different ending musics in french and english, and even though I listen to a lot of english songs, the french one is so far better (“Aux lendemains non écrits”). The singer is simply more fluid in french than she is in english, or, I don’t know, but I simply can’t stand the english one compared to it. The meaning communicated through the words is not the same either.
Anyway, the important thing is that each of us finds ourselves satisfied with what they did :)
Aux lendemains non écrits is sung in French even with English dubs. There are some songs that have an alternate version where the language changes, so I’m not sure if there is an English version of that one playing somewhere else.
Good to know :)
I still cannot get into the mood to finish it. I just got the bouncy giant and moody boy #2, but I’m too zapped to continue. It needs to become an animated series like Arcane
Shut your mouth Macron, this isn’t about you
Macron always has a knack to try to use things popular with younger people to score political gains. Infamously with the ZEvent, for instance.
It is now traditional for them to answer with “Shut your mouth Macron, this isn’t about you”.
Well, with old and elderly people you get Trump, Putin and Netanyahu; so I am fine with broadly politicians to catch younger generations.
You really think Macron has done good for France?
Compared to dictators (or wannabe), I get that Macron seems attractive. But he’s proven to be pro-rich (taxes on the rich have been drastically cut under Macron) and anti-democratic (he’s ignored the result of the last election and nominated a plethora of prime ministers from parties who lost).
And pro police violence. Repeatedly.
I am not that much interested in Macron (or any other) political career; I just get the signaling when a bad politician want it easy (to screw people) and go for elderly people instead to put some effort to convince the future generations.
Even more of a reason for me to never want to play it
If you don’t like the games that other people make, then why don’t you macron?
Can you elaborate? I feel like I am missing context or some words in your comment for it to male sense to me.
Imagine not playing a videogame because some guy in France likes it and he also (and I’m only guessing here, but this is lemmy) supports Israel
Macron has done worse.
Macron liking it is just the cherry on top, I also just really hate jrpgs
I just don‘t like the game because it has turn based combat. Like it‘s an RPG but you can‘t demolish foes with reaction skills. Where‘s the fun in that?
You actually can smoke foes with parries and reactive skills.
That‘s atleast something. I just saw some screenshots and didn‘t like how it looked.
To me, combat needs to have positioning and creative interaction with terrain to be fun, which is why I love FromSoft games and soulslikes in general.
Imagine being this clueless.
I don’t like it because its French.
I watched gameplay and it looked boring af. Miitopia for the 3DS had better turn based combat than this.
Considering the fact that you don’t know about the core game mechanic that is used in literally every combat, the value of your input is less than 0.
I believe you have to try it to see the fun ; t’was my case anyway, but you’re free to believe what you want :).
Now want to try it less Macron has horrible judgement no reason to assume his gaming judgement is different.
Its a pretty fab game, idiot endorsement or not
I need a distinction between VIDEO games (interactable videos with fail cases so it’s a game in the end but barely) and video GAMES (games you can see and not imagine, like basketball: no story, no progression, just rule based win/lose thing)
I think you’re looking for “genres”, the problem isn’t the term “video games”.
Bro couldn’t finish the prologue because their attention span is 10 minutes and somehow thinks the game has more cutscenes than content.
why?
So as a customer my selection process is shorter. The label “Video game” is getting too big that it’s becoming useless. Imagine all the citrus fruits were called citrus fruits. I mean yeah but I wanna know if I’m buying an orange or a lemon, I like both but not in the same situation.
edit: I couldn’t stop thinking about the fruits: Citrus with sugar elements, Aroma driven Citrus
You’re just looking for genres. Your comment is a little like saying “when I want to listen to music, I don’t want acoustic guitar. That instrument shouldn’t be called music.”
Videogame us called videogame because it is a game that displays itself with video. You seem to be missing that videogames come in genres, like music, books, and movies.
I get what you mean and that’s what genres are for, maybe you want action, maybe you want story, but they are all
critrus fruitsvideo gamesGenres don’t tell me how much of a game is cutscenes and how much of the game is controlled by inputs. I guess you can argue for more labels but then we’ll have labels too long that they need abbrevations (extra cognitive load for the reader) so why not a new word (the same congitive load)?
The genre for anything with a heavy cutscene amount is typically “Story rich”. Doesn’t tell you the ratio between cutscenes and action, but that’s messy to measure anyways.
If you wanna get pedantic and actually measure that ratio, you could start with a new kind of genre with something like 60S40A for 60% story 40% action and see if there’d be enough people who care enough to use the same labelling.
Otherwise, read some reviews?
Blood bought one Quantic Dream game and was forever traumatized
Sure, you have walking simulators and Bomberman. There you go.
I loved the fight mechanics and I’m sure there was a good story in there if I cared but one thing that really grinded my gears was the goddamn cutscenes. Not only that but the incessant cut scene that leads into another cut scene that leads into another cut scene. Seriously I spent half the game skipping cut scenes.
I mean, the whole point of the game is the storyline. The combat is really mostly secondary to it.
Could be worse, could be a marathon run of the Metal Gear series with a ban on skipping cutscenes. Also the fuck did you expect from an aggressively French JRPG style game, FFS JRPGs are defined by their cutscenes.
When I develop my game I’m going to prevent players from skipping cutscenes on first viewing.
Gods, some people are just undeserving…
Please don’t, unless it’s a toggle in the menu like with the Renpy engine. I don’t want to watch a long cutscene that I know by heart just because I’m playing on a new thing without my local saves.
Then don’t play my future games.
I don’t play JRPGS and never played metal gear. I played Clair because I heard of the sekiro type mechanics and was interested.
What Sekiro type mechanics? It basically has nothing outside of the timed combat mechanics which are far from unique amongst various games, hell I’m pretty sure Jedi Academy which has combat mechanics closer to Daggerfall or Mount and Blade had a timed party mechanic though I could never figure it out.
Do yourself a favor and look at the tags for a game before playing it. Looking at the steam page it has both story rich and JRPG as tags, this is basically tag speech for long fucking cutscenes.
Probably full of propaganda. Why would any president care?
Wtf? Lol
Outside of America many countries have a strong sense of pride especially when something is overtly representing them and their culture.
As a Canadian if they made this game with hockey and toques I’d damn well expect the prime minister to applaud them when they won game of the year too.
Throw in some poutine and I’m on board.
I’m assuming you’re 14, so I’ll explain in simple terms: the game is a success, the game is French, the president of France is celebrating that the game of the year is French. In the process, he is trying to make himself look good.