Nintendo has released a lengthy Q&A article discussing its decision to re-launch Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen separately — rather than as part of the Nintendo Switch Online service.
Nintendo: “What are you gonna do about? Not buy it?”
Nintendo is only doing this because people let Nintendo fuck them in the ass without even a kiss and a reach around. And then they say “thank you senpai”
I would Pay $60 for a switch physical cartridge with all of their GB through GBA Pokemon games, especially if there was a way to trade pokemon with myself. I would still play them all on roms on my other devices, but I would totally buy that cartrage. But I’m not paying $20 for a digital version of just one of them.
If a company shows no respect for its consumers by nickel and diming them for everything, then there is no reason to show a company respect by purchasing its products.
If they re-released their entire back catalogue at reasonable prices—not locking them behind a subscription—with a commitment to letting users transfer them to future consoles without an upgrade fee, then things would be different.
Unlike physical cartridges, a digital, emulated copy of FireRed has no resale or collector’s value. The lack of physical copies for virtual console games also means each copy sold costs Nintendo nothing beyond the initial emulator development cost, which would be minuscule on a per-game basis.
Considering those factors, and the Switch having a higher install base than prior systems (over ten times Wii U unit sales), maintaining the Wii U and 3DS price points is the most reasonable means for Nintendo to monetize their back catalogue in a way that makes piracy less enticing for many people: $3 per GB, $4 per GBC, $5 per NES, $7-8 per GBA, $8 per SNES, $10 per N64/DS, and $20 per Wii.
Given that each emulated console only requires that a Switch emulator be developed for it once (something Nintendo has already done for NSO) to support hundreds of paid titles, there’s no need to increase prices when the games will sell several times more than they had any chance to on the Wii U.
Given how many games NSO includes, they could continue offering them that way for people who prefer renting their library. Consumers want meaningful options; pricing a GBA game at $20 is not that.
If a company shows no respect for its consumers by nickel and diming them for everything, then there is no reason to show a company respect by purchasing its products.
Sure, but there is a difference between not giving them money, and not giving them money but getting their product anyway.
“I don’t like your product or practices, so I’m not going to purchase it” is not the same as “I like your product but not your practices, so I’m going to pirate it.”
Video games are not exactly a vital good like food.
Blind consumer loyalty only incentivizes Nintendo to further raise prices and make their products less consumer friendly.
Piracy simply demonstrates a problem with supply; if Nintendo wants to solve it, the solution isn’t trying to cuts heads off of a hydra, but rather adjust prices to capture unrealized market potential.
When I had a Wii, I bought games I had played and wanted to play on the NES when I was younger. Now I have nothing to show for it. Never again. At least with Steam, GOG, or pirating, the power is in my hands to keep those games for as long as I can. Nintendo doesn’t give me that option in any legal manner.
I feel like people who were never gonna buy it no matter what the price tag was just want something to be mad at.
So if no one responds, it’s because they have no rebuttal, but if they do, they’re proving your point. Quite the big brain theory there. My point was that it had nothing to do with the price tag, except that the value proposition isn’t there when they can just stop giving you access whenever it becomes inconvenient for them. Moreover, while I have regrets about buying stuff on the Wii store, I’m not angry at them. So it just sounds like you’re saying I’m not much of a customer for a restaurant that I don’t go to anymore just because I got food poisoning a few times. Must be me and not them. And you sound like you’re defending a shitty company because people say their product isn’t worth buying.
If you respond to tell me that you were never gonna buy it, you prove my point.
It’s just kind of tiring how every post about anything Nintendo does ever has the exactly same whining every time, especially when you’re not actually whining about FRLG here at all, you’re just whining to whine. You just want something to be mad at.
Even from indie devs. Many have said that if you don’t have the money to buy their game to get it and play it anyway. More eyes on it and word of mouth and whatnot.
You were right in your first comment, but this is plainly false. Not pirating, mind, but making copies of what you already own is legal, at least in US and most of Europe.
I do whatever I want regardless. That you go out of your way to defend the multi-billion company from copyright theft is pointless, when nowadays agents like Meta have been reported stealing millions of copyrighted materials and nothing happened.
Because their real answer of “Because you dumb fucks will buy it anyway” wasn’t nice enough for the press lol. Seriously as long as you dumb asses keep buying old ass games from Nintendo for way too much money they will keep letting you do it.
20$ is way too expensive for what it is, it should honestly be 10/15$ at most
why just fire red/leaf green? why not other pokémon games? ruby, sapphire, emerald, these have never been rereleased! why are all language versions separate purchases??? you couldn’t be arsed to bundle them?
the only new feature of this release, and really the only reason one might want to use this version instead of emulating on another platform, pokémon home compatibility, is not available at launch and will be added later. come on.
LOL I just downloaded the roms and used an emulator. There’s no way I’d re-buy for the Nintendo Switch, only because I am against their current practices. Until they abandon their virtual card system, I don’t think breaking my boycott is a smart move.
I remember plenty of GBA titles with language options. I used to buy them on flea markets abroad and didn‘t know a lick of english. I find it absurd that this one wouldn‘t have that option.
Never in my life have I been as excited about a video game release as I was in 2004 for Pokémon FRLG.
Now I haven’t touched them in a long time and have no idea why anyone might be excited about games we already know everything about. But then again there are children out there who are the same age as I was in 2004 and they might never have played FRLG on the GBA.
I’m playing through Pokemon Unbound on my Steam Deck and it’s scratching a decades old itch. I mostly outgrew the games after Gen 1, but that little red Gameboy Pocket got me through many a 9th grade study hall.
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Nintendo: “What are you gonna do about? Not buy it?”
Nintendo is only doing this because people let Nintendo fuck them in the ass without even a kiss and a reach around. And then they say “thank you senpai”
I would Pay $60 for a switch physical cartridge with all of their GB through GBA Pokemon games, especially if there was a way to trade pokemon with myself. I would still play them all on roms on my other devices, but I would totally buy that cartrage. But I’m not paying $20 for a digital version of just one of them.
Time to pirate FR to play on my phone just as a tiny middle finger to nintendo, who can’t do shit against me in Brazil 🇧🇷 🖕
Oh, let me also play more Palworld, who’s having to fight bullshit patents
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If a company shows no respect for its consumers by nickel and diming them for everything, then there is no reason to show a company respect by purchasing its products.
If they re-released their entire back catalogue at reasonable prices—not locking them behind a subscription—with a commitment to letting users transfer them to future consoles without an upgrade fee, then things would be different.
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Unlike physical cartridges, a digital, emulated copy of FireRed has no resale or collector’s value. The lack of physical copies for virtual console games also means each copy sold costs Nintendo nothing beyond the initial emulator development cost, which would be minuscule on a per-game basis.
Considering those factors, and the Switch having a higher install base than prior systems (over ten times Wii U unit sales), maintaining the Wii U and 3DS price points is the most reasonable means for Nintendo to monetize their back catalogue in a way that makes piracy less enticing for many people: $3 per GB, $4 per GBC, $5 per NES, $7-8 per GBA, $8 per SNES, $10 per N64/DS, and $20 per Wii.
Given that each emulated console only requires that a Switch emulator be developed for it once (something Nintendo has already done for NSO) to support hundreds of paid titles, there’s no need to increase prices when the games will sell several times more than they had any chance to on the Wii U.
Given how many games NSO includes, they could continue offering them that way for people who prefer renting their library. Consumers want meaningful options; pricing a GBA game at $20 is not that.
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Sure, but there is a difference between not giving them money, and not giving them money but getting their product anyway.
“I don’t like your product or practices, so I’m not going to purchase it” is not the same as “I like your product but not your practices, so I’m going to pirate it.”
Video games are not exactly a vital good like food.
Blind consumer loyalty only incentivizes Nintendo to further raise prices and make their products less consumer friendly.
Piracy simply demonstrates a problem with supply; if Nintendo wants to solve it, the solution isn’t trying to cuts heads off of a hydra, but rather adjust prices to capture unrealized market potential.
I did not say anything about blind consumer loyalty, so that comment feels strange in the context of this conversation.
I feel like people who were never gonna buy it no matter what the price tag was just want something to be mad at.
When I had a Wii, I bought games I had played and wanted to play on the NES when I was younger. Now I have nothing to show for it. Never again. At least with Steam, GOG, or pirating, the power is in my hands to keep those games for as long as I can. Nintendo doesn’t give me that option in any legal manner.
So you were never gonna buy it no matter what the price tag was.
You’re right, because I’ve literally done it before with them and have nothing to show for it. So which of us is the fool?
Well if you’re replying me just to tell me you were never going to buy it, you’re proving my point.
So if no one responds, it’s because they have no rebuttal, but if they do, they’re proving your point. Quite the big brain theory there. My point was that it had nothing to do with the price tag, except that the value proposition isn’t there when they can just stop giving you access whenever it becomes inconvenient for them. Moreover, while I have regrets about buying stuff on the Wii store, I’m not angry at them. So it just sounds like you’re saying I’m not much of a customer for a restaurant that I don’t go to anymore just because I got food poisoning a few times. Must be me and not them. And you sound like you’re defending a shitty company because people say their product isn’t worth buying.
If you respond to tell me that you were never gonna buy it, you prove my point.
It’s just kind of tiring how every post about anything Nintendo does ever has the exactly same whining every time, especially when you’re not actually whining about FRLG here at all, you’re just whining to whine. You just want something to be mad at.
You see where they said “I bought games”? It means they bought it.
They were never gonna buy this game.
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Piracy is justified because I already own those games, and they’re not backwards compatible. I’m not going to pay for the same game multiple times.
piracy is always justified
Probably not from indie developers
Even from indie devs. Many have said that if you don’t have the money to buy their game to get it and play it anyway. More eyes on it and word of mouth and whatnot.
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Do you work for the billion dollar company? Weird fucking take you have portraying them as a victim
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Thinking that pirating a $20 game from Nintendo is fucking someone over is a wild take. Stop treating international giga corporations like people
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The work was already done, and the people who worked on it have already been paid. Nobody’s getting royalties here.
The devs already got paid. The money spent buying this game just goes to the higher ups who spent 0 time actually working on the game.
You were right in your first comment, but this is plainly false. Not pirating, mind, but making copies of what you already own is legal, at least in US and most of Europe.
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I do whatever I want regardless. That you go out of your way to defend the multi-billion company from copyright theft is pointless, when nowadays agents like Meta have been reported stealing millions of copyrighted materials and nothing happened.
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Because their real answer of “Because you dumb fucks will buy it anyway” wasn’t nice enough for the press lol. Seriously as long as you dumb asses keep buying old ass games from Nintendo for way too much money they will keep letting you do it.
everything about this release is ridiculous
20$ is way too expensive for what it is, it should honestly be 10/15$ at most
why just fire red/leaf green? why not other pokémon games? ruby, sapphire, emerald, these have never been rereleased!
why are all language versions separate purchases??? you couldn’t be arsed to bundle them?
the only new feature of this release, and really the only reason one might want to use this version instead of emulating on another platform, pokémon home compatibility, is not available at launch and will be added later. come on.
anyways play cassette beasts instead
And Magi Nation!
Seconded on Cassette Beasts. Beat the game, then play it with random beast typings.
Such a good game! It did not have to have all the extra features it does to be worth the purchase, but they loaded this game with fun!
Sorry, Shin Megami Tensei has already won me over. Can’t beat fighting and having gods fighting for you in my book
People shit on it a lot but I played TemTem at release and the whole time felt sad because it was what I’d so long wished that Pokémon would become.
Monster sanctuary was a lot of fun too
I liked Nexomon Extinction, and am looking forward to Nexomon 3D.
Monster Sanctuary had much worse graphics and the story was not engaging at all but somehow I still enjoyed it a lot more than Cassette Beasts.
Coromon rocks! And its only 5$ on steam.
LumenTale just released a new trailer today.
ohhh cool thanks!
I bought their album, its fantastic. Cassette Beasts is the best pokemon.
LOL I just downloaded the roms and used an emulator. There’s no way I’d re-buy for the Nintendo Switch, only because I am against their current practices. Until they abandon their virtual card system, I don’t think breaking my boycott is a smart move.
Nintendo suckss
*$20 each, for each language.
TBF these are games that were originally released with separate cartridges for each language, so this isn’t an especially surprising thing.
Plenty of GBA games had multiple languages on one cartridge. No excuse.
Especially in Europe.
Yes, but not mainline Pokémon games.
Exactly. No excuse back then, even less an excuse now
I remember plenty of GBA titles with language options. I used to buy them on flea markets abroad and didn‘t know a lick of english. I find it absurd that this one wouldn‘t have that option.
You know it’s bad when Konami can release GBA roms for a better deal at the exact same price (talking about the Castlevania Advanced Collection).
“Cause we love money, lol, fuck you poors.” - Nintendo
Never in my life have I been as excited about a video game release as I was in 2004 for Pokémon FRLG.
Now I haven’t touched them in a long time and have no idea why anyone might be excited about games we already know everything about. But then again there are children out there who are the same age as I was in 2004 and they might never have played FRLG on the GBA.
I’m playing through Pokemon Unbound on my Steam Deck and it’s scratching a decades old itch. I mostly outgrew the games after Gen 1, but that little red Gameboy Pocket got me through many a 9th grade study hall.
$5 for a whole generation of games would be fair…and this certainly isn’t. Wario is the true representative of Nintendo.