More like I’m just sick of people hijacking my favorite art form to express political/social issues or sexual fetishes, both of which are becoming too common. It’s exactly why I’ve grown more and more in favor of retro gaming, back when neither of those expressions were anything but a fringe group of miserable individuals and weirdos that most gamers ignored. Not going to argue further, I’ve spoken my piece.
“My position is so tenuous yet so important to my identity that I will not tolerate the slightest challenge.”
Alternatively, “That’s why my favorite book is Moby Dick, no frou-frou symbolism. Just a good simple tale about a man who hates an animal.”
Psychonauts is about trauma. Fallout is anti-war. FFVII is environmentalist. Samus as a woman was an intentionally subversive choice. Video games have had socual commentary for as long as it’s been able to be expressed.
what you’re referring to is a time when you were a kid and didn’t realize the politics. now you’re aware of it and are acting like it’s new. this is just illiteracy.
Ugh. Thank you, I was just about to say it myself. There’s been politics in games for forever. Even the simplest shit like, “environmental destruction bad, so Sonic fight Eggman”
People are just too dumb to realize that they were kids back then…
even mechanics can be unintentionally political. there was a really cool errant signal video years ago talking about civilization games. it was mostly about what the games idea of a “civilization” is and how the win conditions reinforced the idea that one civilization has to be the superior one to rule them all…
but also these ideas were further reinforced by the way barbarians were depicted. that word already has baggage but the interesting thing is that in civ4 they share a banner with wildlife. like, they’re almost like animals or natural disasters and not people at all.
what conservatives don’t understand is that you can think about things like this and acknowledge what they mean and still enjoy the game and or understand why these choices were made. they’re not necessarily political choices as much as they’re mechanical, but that doesn’t mean we can’t think about what mechanical choices might mean to the player, or what messages they send. if video games are art, they can—and I would say must—be critiqued.
fear of change is at the core of conservatism, and that drives their utter aversion to introspection, and also to criticism of things and people they like. and vice versa, they can’t bring themselves to appreciate any part of anything they don’t like. if they like a person they can do no wrong. if they like a game it must be perfect. if they dislike a song it’s the harbinger of the fall of civilization (ooh look at me bringing it full circle).
in a world of absolutes, there can be no discussion. don’t ask me to think about things please. leave your thoughts and opinions out of my fun time, lest my views get challenged. this is what’s funny about the likes of ben shapiro pretending that they have the facts while liberals are too emotional. their entire world view is based on their feels, and their arguments follow those as justification.
In the 90s I watched something and there was a woman that was becoming a fairly competent go cart racer, she quit cause the men she was competing against couldn’t stand “losing to a girl” and got quite nasty about. This won’t be a credible source though, will it?
Of course not. Especially with supportive people like you
Since we are talking about the real world; did you deliberately omit the fact that men playing video-games are called pathetic & deadbeat losers regardless of whether they’re champions or not ?
Take your mask off and see what happens, incel. It’s always the same fucking formula, go and whine about your own tiny little insecurities every single time anything about women’s experience is highlighted.
You’d find something between your ribs irl real quick if you took off your mask around the people in your life and they found out how incapable you are of even reading about half the population of the Earth’s perspective without self inserting your pathetic insecurities.
Evolutionary psychology. I think there’s real research in the field, but it’s drowned out by charlatans who invoke its name to lend credence to their made-up bullshit without the burden of scientific rigour.
Traditionally, yes, but I do want to note that modern takes use it to also argue for cooperation, since working with with others is good for survival and passing on genes. They also are the first to tell people how bunk the alpha male crap is, and the fact a lone wolf is a dead wolf.
How it feels to play as Killer in Dead By Daylight, win, and then the loser Survivors tell you in the end game chat to “get better” and that “you are trash at the game.”
I have ~10k hours in counterstrike across multi game versions and accounts. I noticed a similar thing over my years. The players doing well in a match were often neutral towards gamer girls, but the guy having a shit match would be the fastest sack of shit every time. Especially if one of the top fraggers pointed out they were being beaten by a girl.
Obviously there are always exceptions to any rules but in my anecdotal experience the guys who were confident in their abilities didn’t care about women but losers would attack them just for speaking.
If it makes you feel any better those hours were spread out over the last 10 years or longer. I can’t even remember when I started. Just one of those ol’ reliable games for me.
And the worst part of it is that probably half of those hours happened within a few years in the middle there. I played like 6 hours a night every night with my friends. Good times but yeah…
My heavy CS days were early in csgo days. Back when the skin gambling scene and the pro scene were popping early on. My buddies and I would watch the pro games and then get all hyped to improve and we would jump into ranked only to get fucking pub stomped. Good times. Eventually we did start getting good. I only ever got to whatever rank was below global and only two of my buddies ever got to global.
However my top fps bragging moment was actually in valorant when it was a closed beta still I absolutely shat all over pro csgo player at the time named JDM in a lobby. Top fragged and completely dominated him the entire match.
That was when I peaked in my fps gaming lol. It’s all been downhill since. I’m still better than most people at fps games in general, but I am not as sharp and snappy as I was when I was a younger man with way more free time to practice and improve every night.
Especially if one of the top fraggers pointed out they were being beaten by a girl.
Not really a gold star by the top player’s name for this, either. The comment alone leaves plenty of room to be interpreted as “girls should be easy to beat/poor gamers because they’re girls.”
They wouldn’t say “you’re getting beaten by a girl” as much as they would respond to the guys losing their minds who happened to be below them on the scoreboard by saying things like “Why are you yelling at her she’s playing better than you are shut up”. Kinda way.
I’m not a misogynist but anybody who consistently scores top on a public server pretty much is a pubstomper asshole by definition. And I have certainly been that. You don’t do it for the challenge, or you’d be doing league and more competitive modes.
Counter Strike was way better when this was the vibe. I am so tired of competitive this and gun case that. I’ve never been interested in 5v5 scrimming in any serious way, but that’s all CS2 wants me to do.
I want gun game, I want wc3, I want ZM. I want quirky custom maps (glass!) and quake sounds and !bet ct all. I want to fuck around with new friends on a server for an evening, not to sweat my balls off throwing practiced smokes on dust2.
Same thing kinda happened to TF2. I mean, Competitive is dead but the server browser and community servers are not what they used to be. I miss when it was front and center. Today most people just play casual on Valve servers.
After a quick search it seems like the CS2 in-game server browser has gone to complete shit. I hope Valve fixes it. It’s part of the Source Legacy.
You’re absolutely correct, I had a similar experience
I played CS for roughly the same amount of time; my clan ranges from DMG to Global, but we had a rule that if you were in the clan, we’d 5-man with you regardless of your rank, so if you were Silver, you’d have a chance to rub elbows and learn strategies from the higher skilled players.
Then we got a Global, a girl named Moon.
Holy hell, it’s like people’s brains did a 180°, they were incredibly mean to her, for no reason, and eventually it came out that she was trans, and they bullied her even worse, out of the server.
I kicked everyone who bullied/demonized Moon for being trans; because at the end of the day, it was about being a honest human being, and not just a CS player/gamer.
I tend to think the average person is extremely judgmental and desperate for status hierarchy. In part that’s the conclusion of the study. As you can see in the other IQ-obsessed reply, it’s not exactly uncommon.
lol incel club has been infested with other creepy stuff waaaay beyond just that somewhile ago. today’s incels are low level IQ insults to the people who were the true incels of before, like those intelligent people who came up with 15 feb and so on.
This is probably seen through rose tinted glasses, but Halo 3 had the best multi-player experience I think. It has community created maps, game modes, and an a way for anybody with a account to share what they made. From pictures to custom forge maps. I have nothing but fond memories of the experience. So it makes sense to me at least that some people wouldn’t stop playing until Microsoft or Bungie or whoever made them.
This is definitely an objective opinion based on facts and universal experiences: the best multiplayer experience was Halo 1, when we ran ethernet cables between our dorm rooms. I’d wake up to someone slamming on my door telling me to turn my Xbox on, and I’d jump right into a death match.
My life went down in Containment doing 1v1 splitscreem pvp with my friend.
I will never let anyone say Halo 2 was worse than any other entry.
It’s either Reach, CE or 2 (in the chronological order).
Halo 3 released on better hardware, so they included huge multiplayer maps like Sandtrap, but they hadn’t yet realised that huge maps require faster traversal. As a result, your Spartan moves around like a sack of wet potatoes.
Halo 2 has the best slow multiplayer because of the tighter maps, and Halo 5 has the best fast multiplayer because of the traversal tools.
I can buy a new toaster from the shop, why can’t I buy a woman too? Does this mean Gamers are pro sex-work? Or pro indentured servitude for women more likely…
my inner engineer wants to challenge this: I know there’s a dildo company that does tours, and at least copies penises and vulvae of customers as a souveneir, im sure there are things that copy at least he surface of the vaginal canal if you want to be completionist. maybe with the right kind of 3d printer it could be done? not sure, haven’t really worked with nylon materials.
Nylon? I would think this would be a ‘print the moulds we use to pour in silicone’ situation, if we’re going for usability. https://formlabs.com/blog/casting-silicone-guide/ On an engineering note I’m also sure I’ve seen this exact thing before, but I wonder what would improve it. Self-heating? DIY solution could be a hidden pocket for reusable handwarmers lol
How does romance work in most video games? Select the correct dialogue options, memorize the correct answer to questions, give them the same gift every day?
The other main way a lot of young men “interact” with women is through porn, which is always made with a mind to what a woman would enjoy during sex…/s
because you think of “I never get laid” as a normal human need to connect with another person, which is what it is but they’re too deep in misogyny to realize it. instead to them getting laid is a quest to complete and it involves a quest item known as a woman, not a character. so I never get laid has less of an undertone of “why can’t I connect with a woman” and more of “when will we get our government mandated sex slaves”
Gamers tend to think of things as quests. A box to check off. A completionist. Getting married and having kids is part of life’s quests for many people. It’s not seen as collaboration in many ways.
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Politicizing games is so incredibly tiresome.
this literally has nothing to do with the game itself. it’s about behavior towards other people, which is intently political.
also video games are art which makes them political as well.
the fact that you kneejerked into this reaction feels super insecure and reactionary.
More like I’m just sick of people hijacking my favorite art form to express political/social issues or sexual fetishes, both of which are becoming too common. It’s exactly why I’ve grown more and more in favor of retro gaming, back when neither of those expressions were anything but a fringe group of miserable individuals and weirdos that most gamers ignored. Not going to argue further, I’ve spoken my piece.
“My position is so tenuous yet so important to my identity that I will not tolerate the slightest challenge.”
Alternatively, “That’s why my favorite book is Moby Dick, no frou-frou symbolism. Just a good simple tale about a man who hates an animal.”
Psychonauts is about trauma. Fallout is anti-war. FFVII is environmentalist. Samus as a woman was an intentionally subversive choice. Video games have had socual commentary for as long as it’s been able to be expressed.
I’ve heard this before but “a man who hates an animal” makes me laugh so hard
I’m glad, because you’re talking nonsense.
what you’re referring to is a time when you were a kid and didn’t realize the politics. now you’re aware of it and are acting like it’s new. this is just illiteracy.
Ugh. Thank you, I was just about to say it myself. There’s been politics in games for forever. Even the simplest shit like, “environmental destruction bad, so Sonic fight Eggman”
People are just too dumb to realize that they were kids back then…
even mechanics can be unintentionally political. there was a really cool errant signal video years ago talking about civilization games. it was mostly about what the games idea of a “civilization” is and how the win conditions reinforced the idea that one civilization has to be the superior one to rule them all…
but also these ideas were further reinforced by the way barbarians were depicted. that word already has baggage but the interesting thing is that in civ4 they share a banner with wildlife. like, they’re almost like animals or natural disasters and not people at all.
what conservatives don’t understand is that you can think about things like this and acknowledge what they mean and still enjoy the game and or understand why these choices were made. they’re not necessarily political choices as much as they’re mechanical, but that doesn’t mean we can’t think about what mechanical choices might mean to the player, or what messages they send. if video games are art, they can—and I would say must—be critiqued.
fear of change is at the core of conservatism, and that drives their utter aversion to introspection, and also to criticism of things and people they like. and vice versa, they can’t bring themselves to appreciate any part of anything they don’t like. if they like a person they can do no wrong. if they like a game it must be perfect. if they dislike a song it’s the harbinger of the fall of civilization (ooh look at me bringing it full circle).
in a world of absolutes, there can be no discussion. don’t ask me to think about things please. leave your thoughts and opinions out of my fun time, lest my views get challenged. this is what’s funny about the likes of ben shapiro pretending that they have the facts while liberals are too emotional. their entire world view is based on their feels, and their arguments follow those as justification.
Trying to avoid politics are we? Got some bad news for ya…
Only two genders: male and political.
Can we see the study ?? Let’s see how credible it is
Not the actual paper but here ya go
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33613781
So no citations & only a mere opinion ? So it’s clear as day then. It’s a misandric hit-piece (off course it’s from BBC)
WTF? Go and spend a day in the big wide world.
In the 90s I watched something and there was a woman that was becoming a fairly competent go cart racer, she quit cause the men she was competing against couldn’t stand “losing to a girl” and got quite nasty about. This won’t be a credible source though, will it?
Of course not. Especially with supportive people like you
Since we are talking about the real world; did you deliberately omit the fact that men playing video-games are called pathetic & deadbeat losers regardless of whether they’re champions or not ?
You’ll need an audience with a much larger inferiority complex if you want that sort of claim to resonate.
Why should one need an audience for that claim, when the evidence is right there on the internet & IRL
So that makes it okay to shit on women in games? Go cope elsewhere, incel.
Men get shat on as well but, I guess we are n9t going to address that huh, if you’re going to virtue-signal as an Egalitarian, then act the part
& ah the incel slur, what are you ?? A sex-obsessed creep ?
Should I be worried about your mental well-being ?
Take your mask off and see what happens, incel. It’s always the same fucking formula, go and whine about your own tiny little insecurities every single time anything about women’s experience is highlighted.
You’d find something between your ribs irl real quick if you took off your mask around the people in your life and they found out how incapable you are of even reading about half the population of the Earth’s perspective without self inserting your pathetic insecurities.
Just seen your edit. Before I answer this question, are you seriously asking to be judged fairly after judging others unfairly?
There are SO many sources on this it’s obvious you didn’t even bother to look.
Here’s the paper
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0131613
Maybe do some research for once in your life?
What are you talking about? The BBC article references the research paper directly?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4503401/
Oh I probably disable JS then, I apologize
About Evo-Psych, you probably should see this then
“I can’t even beat a girl!?”
Obligatory footnote: EvoPsych is mostly bunk, deeply intertwined with eugenics and riddled with homophobia, sexism and rape apologia.
EvoPsych?
Evolutionary psychology. I think there’s real research in the field, but it’s drowned out by charlatans who invoke its name to lend credence to their made-up bullshit without the burden of scientific rigour.
Traditionally, yes, but I do want to note that modern takes use it to also argue for cooperation, since working with with others is good for survival and passing on genes. They also are the first to tell people how bunk the alpha male crap is, and the fact a lone wolf is a dead wolf.
So my transition from cringe lord to become a better individual overall is actually just me getting better at video game? Fair enough
Not necessarily.
Absolutely.
No, but it means you give less of a shit when you lose.
Understandable - management has a natural affinity with dumbass.
“but behaved more submissively towards players with a male voice” I want to know what they mean by submissive
They got into some freaky shit in those lobbies.
Appeal to authority. Higher-skilled male players got to call the shots, lead, delegate etc.
“Given the chance, they would definitely lock lips with the dominant male”
:D
They were less confrontational and more likely to accept direction
Same way you’re “submissive” to your boss
butt stuff, gotcha
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How it feels to play as Killer in Dead By Daylight, win, and then the loser Survivors tell you in the end game chat to “get better” and that “you are trash at the game.”
Source?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4503401/
Pretty sure it was just an excuse for the authors to play Halo, but skimming the study it still looks like valid science.
update: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4569351/
Replying to this with a T2S soon
Who actually needs an excuse to play Halo though?
neeeeeerds
People with jobs that aren’t playing video games.
Invite your boss and coworkers to play Halo with you. Problem solved
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=2015+study+of+low-skilled+Halo+players+males+to+females
I have ~10k hours in counterstrike across multi game versions and accounts. I noticed a similar thing over my years. The players doing well in a match were often neutral towards gamer girls, but the guy having a shit match would be the fastest sack of shit every time. Especially if one of the top fraggers pointed out they were being beaten by a girl.
Obviously there are always exceptions to any rules but in my anecdotal experience the guys who were confident in their abilities didn’t care about women but losers would attack them just for speaking.
Damn. There’s 8760 hours in a year btw. That’s impressive.
If it makes you feel any better those hours were spread out over the last 10 years or longer. I can’t even remember when I started. Just one of those ol’ reliable games for me.
A tenth of a year is still 36 and 1/2 days of uninterrupted cs per anum.
And the worst part of it is that probably half of those hours happened within a few years in the middle there. I played like 6 hours a night every night with my friends. Good times but yeah…
Same feelings here, I used to average around 1k hours per year in my “active” years.
All of the issues with CS2 kinda put the end to that, played the beta, then stopped for a year, and now I play few games every few days
My heavy CS days were early in csgo days. Back when the skin gambling scene and the pro scene were popping early on. My buddies and I would watch the pro games and then get all hyped to improve and we would jump into ranked only to get fucking pub stomped. Good times. Eventually we did start getting good. I only ever got to whatever rank was below global and only two of my buddies ever got to global.
However my top fps bragging moment was actually in valorant when it was a closed beta still I absolutely shat all over pro csgo player at the time named JDM in a lobby. Top fragged and completely dominated him the entire match.
That was when I peaked in my fps gaming lol. It’s all been downhill since. I’m still better than most people at fps games in general, but I am not as sharp and snappy as I was when I was a younger man with way more free time to practice and improve every night.
Ego soothing, peacocking behavior
Not really a gold star by the top player’s name for this, either. The comment alone leaves plenty of room to be interpreted as “girls should be easy to beat/poor gamers because they’re girls.”
They wouldn’t say “you’re getting beaten by a girl” as much as they would respond to the guys losing their minds who happened to be below them on the scoreboard by saying things like “Why are you yelling at her she’s playing better than you are shut up”. Kinda way.
There are definitely many competent players that will be like “haha you’re getting beaten by a girl” out there, though.
Nobody ever claimed pubstompers were good people. We pubstomp precisely because we’re not
I’m hoping this is sarcasm, otherwise that is an interesting thing to be proud of.
I’m not a misogynist but anybody who consistently scores top on a public server pretty much is a pubstomper asshole by definition. And I have certainly been that. You don’t do it for the challenge, or you’d be doing league and more competitive modes.
Oh absolutely
Man. I miss when gungame was filled with people and all the fun addons. Warcraft 3 mods, vote for knife fight, “gotcha bitch” with every knife kill.
I want to go back.
Counter Strike was way better when this was the vibe. I am so tired of competitive this and gun case that. I’ve never been interested in 5v5 scrimming in any serious way, but that’s all CS2 wants me to do.
I want gun game, I want wc3, I want ZM. I want quirky custom maps (glass!) and quake sounds and !bet ct all. I want to fuck around with new friends on a server for an evening, not to sweat my balls off throwing practiced smokes on dust2.
I’m right there with you. I haaaaaate the direction of modern gaming.
And the old WCFAN (We Couldn’t Find A Name) servers, what was it called again, I think hillbreak? That was fun!
Same thing kinda happened to TF2. I mean, Competitive is dead but the server browser and community servers are not what they used to be. I miss when it was front and center. Today most people just play casual on Valve servers.
After a quick search it seems like the CS2 in-game server browser has gone to complete shit. I hope Valve fixes it. It’s part of the Source Legacy.
OG /gg and /surf maps.
You’re absolutely correct, I had a similar experience
I played CS for roughly the same amount of time; my clan ranges from DMG to Global, but we had a rule that if you were in the clan, we’d 5-man with you regardless of your rank, so if you were Silver, you’d have a chance to rub elbows and learn strategies from the higher skilled players.
Then we got a Global, a girl named Moon.
Holy hell, it’s like people’s brains did a 180°, they were incredibly mean to her, for no reason, and eventually it came out that she was trans, and they bullied her even worse, out of the server.
I kicked everyone who bullied/demonized Moon for being trans; because at the end of the day, it was about being a honest human being, and not just a CS player/gamer.
Playing online since dialup/Internet cafe days, can confirm. Also it’s just more fun to get along.
they then went on to become the founders of incel culture
Incel culture has always existed it just didn’t have a way out if its mom’s basement without the internet.
I wonder what kind of person judges people (Men to be precise) as sub-humans because they didn’t have sex with a woman ?
I tend to think the average person is extremely judgmental and desperate for status hierarchy. In part that’s the conclusion of the study. As you can see in the other IQ-obsessed reply, it’s not exactly uncommon.
lol incel club has been infested with other creepy stuff waaaay beyond just that somewhile ago. today’s incels are low level IQ insults to the people who were the true incels of before, like those intelligent people who came up with 15 feb and so on.
What are these “Creepy” stuff ?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel
move to the part after 2005s or so I would say. you can also find various documentaries online on how it evolved over time.
I didn’t even know people were still playing Halo 3 in 2015
This is probably seen through rose tinted glasses, but Halo 3 had the best multi-player experience I think. It has community created maps, game modes, and an a way for anybody with a account to share what they made. From pictures to custom forge maps. I have nothing but fond memories of the experience. So it makes sense to me at least that some people wouldn’t stop playing until Microsoft or Bungie or whoever made them.
This is definitely an objective opinion based on facts and universal experiences: the best multiplayer experience was Halo 1, when we ran ethernet cables between our dorm rooms. I’d wake up to someone slamming on my door telling me to turn my Xbox on, and I’d jump right into a death match.
My life went down in Containment doing 1v1 splitscreem pvp with my friend.
I will never let anyone say Halo 2 was worse than any other entry.
It’s either Reach, CE or 2 (in the chronological order).
Halo 3 released on better hardware, so they included huge multiplayer maps like Sandtrap, but they hadn’t yet realised that huge maps require faster traversal. As a result, your Spartan moves around like a sack of wet potatoes.
Halo 2 has the best slow multiplayer because of the tighter maps, and Halo 5 has the best fast multiplayer because of the traversal tools.
its the best one, I still go back to it from time to time
Master Chief Collection came out in late 2014.
It sucked so hard for the first 4 years that I didn’t start playing it again until 2018 when they sorta fixed it.
I never understood this mentality, myself.
Gamers: “I never get laid… 😩”
Also Gamers: “Women are just kitchen accessories.”
I can buy a new toaster from the shop, why can’t I buy a woman too? Does this mean Gamers are pro sex-work? Or pro indentured servitude for women more likely…
You cant pirate pussy, and we all know how gamers feel about subscription models.
my inner engineer wants to challenge this: I know there’s a dildo company that does tours, and at least copies penises and vulvae of customers as a souveneir, im sure there are things that copy at least he surface of the vaginal canal if you want to be completionist. maybe with the right kind of 3d printer it could be done? not sure, haven’t really worked with nylon materials.
“yOu WoUlDnT dOwNlOaD a cUnT.”
genuinely do not give a shit if you download mine.
kind of concerned with how it was ever digitized in the first place, but, like, once it is, you have my blessing. or curse I guess. whichever.
Nylon? I would think this would be a ‘print the moulds we use to pour in silicone’ situation, if we’re going for usability. https://formlabs.com/blog/casting-silicone-guide/ On an engineering note I’m also sure I’ve seen this exact thing before, but I wonder what would improve it. Self-heating? DIY solution could be a hidden pocket for reusable handwarmers lol
yeah I was just kind of riffing, assuming nobody wanted to really melt down silicone in their home.
G*mers aren’t known for being smart.
yeah. all your free time is conclusions being handed to you and the illusion of agency.
and it’s not like everyone’s sitting around playing shit like ‘disco elysium’ all day.
You might have a career as a Halo 3 e-sports pro then!
How does romance work in most video games? Select the correct dialogue options, memorize the correct answer to questions, give them the same gift every day?
The other main way a lot of young men “interact” with women is through porn, which is always made with a mind to what a woman would enjoy during sex…/s
because you think of “I never get laid” as a normal human need to connect with another person, which is what it is but they’re too deep in misogyny to realize it. instead to them getting laid is a quest to complete and it involves a quest item known as a woman, not a character. so I never get laid has less of an undertone of “why can’t I connect with a woman” and more of “when will we get our government mandated sex slaves”
I understand it, but I don’t think it applies.
Gamers tend to think of things as quests. A box to check off. A completionist. Getting married and having kids is part of life’s quests for many people. It’s not seen as collaboration in many ways.
I have noticed that all of these misogynists are incredibly insecure alpha-pretending males. Can’t imagine how tiring this constant fear must be.